Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 15:09:20 +0000
From: Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>
To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "<dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>, "<dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: git: 74a6bb524e5b - main - Makefile: Don't allow install{world,kernel} with pkgbase
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 08:59:36AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025, 8:42 AM Lexi Winter <ivy@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> > John Baldwin wrote in <228220a0-c819-4c51-92d3-5357e925c81d@FreeBSD.org>:
> > > On 10/17/25 15:14, Lexi Winter wrote:
> > > > Makefile: Don't allow install{world,kernel} with pkgbase
> > >
> > > Can we document how users who want to build from source can do so from a
> > new installation
> > > that uses pkgbase? I guess it is something like:
> > >
> > > - pkg install sources if not already (or git clone the right branch/tag)
> > > - etcupdate bootstrap
> > > - <destroy the pkgbase repo> (clearly can't just use pkg delete with a
> > glob, so need
> > > something else)
> >
> > this should eventually be in the Handbook.
>
>
> Install* should eventually just do the right thing like ports: stage the
> packages, make the packages and the install from the packages. 16 time
> frame, though.
Agreed with Warner here. If pkgbase is being used, it seems logical
that installworld/installkernel would create a new (or update) pkgbase
repo.
Otherwise, I can imagine a sceneario for HardenedBSD users
specifically who have used pkgbase in the past, but now wish to do a
src-based update. I feel like I myself am going to be answering an
unending stream of "why doesn't install{kernel,world} work on
HardenedBSD like it has always in the past?"
I'm somewhat thinking of reverting this commit until
install{kernel,world} are taught the notion of pkgbase. It just seems
like the kind of thing that's gonna surprise our users (in a
not-so-fun way.)
Thanks,
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