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Date:      Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:40:53 -0500
From:      William Dudley <wfdudley@gmail.com>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE
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I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this question, but what is the
point of "replacing" sendmail with dma?

>From this: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Da67b925ff3e5, which is
referenced from the release notes for 14

"dma accepts mail from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it
locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept inbound
mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended to
provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail."

So, why?  It's not a replacement for sendmail in any sense at
all, as it can't actually receive mail from outside the machine.

If one runs a FreeBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfi=
x
or some *real* MTA running, and now there's an extra step, to disable
"dma".

What's the point?

Bill Dudley
New Jersey, USA



This email is free of malware because I run Linux.


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:32=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> >I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following
> >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can
> >not get the following issues resolved:
> >
> >1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly)
> >2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found
> >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases
> >being run
>
> Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see
> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/
> and grep for 'sendmail'
> --
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I realize that I&#39;m asking the wrong people this questi=
on, but what is the<div>point of &quot;replacing&quot; sendmail with dma?</=
div><div><br></div><div>From this:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://cgit.freebsd.org=
/src/commit/?id=3Da67b925ff3e5">https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Da=
67b925ff3e5</a>, which is</div><div>referenced from the release notes for 1=
4</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;<font face=3D"monospace">dma accepts mail =
from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it</font></div><font face=
=3D"monospace">locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept =
inbound<br>mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended t=
o<br>provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail.=
</font>&quot;<div><br></div><div>So, why?=C2=A0 It&#39;s not a replacement =
for sendmail in any sense at</div><div>all, as it can&#39;t actually receiv=
e mail from outside the machine.</div><div><br></div><div>If one runs a Fre=
eBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfix</div><div>or so=
me <b>real</b> MTA running, and now there&#39;s an extra step, to disable</=
div><div>&quot;dma&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>What&#39;s the point?</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Bill Dudley</div><div>New Jersey, USA</div><div><br>=
<div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">This email is free of malware=
 because I run Linux.</div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:=
32=E2=80=AFAM void &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:void@f-m.fm">void@f-m.fm</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, De=
c 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:<br>
&gt;I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following<br=
>
&gt;the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can<=
br>
&gt;not get the following issues resolved:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly)<br>
&gt;2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found<br=
>
&gt;despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases<b=
r>
&gt;being run<br>
<br>
Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see <a href=3D"https://www.fr=
eebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/</a><br>
and grep for &#39;sendmail&#39;<br>
-- <br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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