Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:09:29 +0200 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> To: "Atte Peltomaki" <koston@iki.fi> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD Message-ID: <8501.1081595369@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:51:35 -0000." <20040410115135.GA20807@norsu.kameli.org>
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In message <20040410115135.GA20807@norsu.kameli.org>, "Atte Peltomaki" writes: >It still leaves me wonder - why is the user/developer-base so hostile >towards any critique on the system? I don't think we are. The problem is that most of us know and have known for a long time about these deficiencies and we really wish to get them fixed, only, we have 20 other things we need to do first, one of which is "earn a living" another being "play with our children". What we have is a resource-shortage, that stresses out the overworked developers, and that results in crappy attitudes. But you are right that the Future of FreeBSD needs to be pondered. Right now, 5.3 does not look like it will be what we have expected and promised to deliver for 5-stable, and I don't see the miracle which will that happen this summer. But the world is also remakably different from when we started FreeBSD 10 years and five major releases ago. Back then, the "competition" was WIN3.11 and practically anything we did was a success by definition. Today the competition is Linux, and despite all the perforations they tend to inflict in their own feet, they are serious competition for us. So we have to decide what we are as a project: Is FreeBSD a hobby project which delivers what it can, when it can, based on whatever people contribute when they have time ? Or is FreeBSD as a project serious about being a qualified competitor in the operating system market ? In the first case, our users will have to get used to an entirely different sort of delivery and deliverable. In the second case, it is time that our users take the Kennedy test: Ask not what FreeBSD can do for you, ask what you can do for FreeBSD. We cannot expect to continue to compete with the probably close to one hundred full-time developers Linux has unless we manage to get at least a handful of our own developers funded full time. And let me get that 100% straight: There are to my knowlege not one single FreeBSD developer who is employed to work full time on the things FreeBSD needs done. We do have a number of key developers who are employed by companies using FreeBSD and they get to spend a lot of time on the problems their companies see as important to FreeBSD. What we don't have an IBM, a RedHat or OSDL.org who are willing to employg developers to work full time on the problems that are important to FreeBSD. So in my view, the future of FreeBSD is pretty much in the hands of all the users out there who are "serious about FreeBSD", how about you persuade your FreeBSD using employer to donate a small sum to the FreeBSD Foundation every month ? Imagine if some of our users sent $1/month for each FreeBSD machine they were running. 30,000 machines under such a programme and we would have a handful of our best people full-time developing FreeBSD and a person in the Foundation to deal with the fund-raising and paperwork. And I don't think it will be that hard to explain that "somebody needs to work on the operating system and they also need food to eat" if the amount of money we ask for is $1/month. How about that ? It is my hope is that my project: http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/funding.html will become the icebreaker for this change. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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