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Date:      Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:15:01 -0500
From:      Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
Cc:        doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Debian (french page!) and GTML.
Message-ID:  <364FA6C5.89DDF806@aei.ca>
References:  <364BA59B.A403C81F@aei.ca> <19981115222615.18414@nothing-going-on.org>

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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 at 10:20:59PM -0500, Malartre wrote:
> > I just checked www.debian.org. Since one year, that site changed a lot.
> > First, I was surprised to see that site in French! (I "accidentaly"
> > setted the "languages" preference in Netscape to French(fr), without
> > knowing what it would do). Surprise! debian.org use that cool feature.
> > see (http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.html.en)
> > It's near FreeBSD quality :-)
> > see (http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/)
> 
> Don't know -- I've noted this for further investigation in a couple of
> weeks, if no one else has got to it by then.
> 
> > On another topic:
> > I would like to allow many peoples to work on TFUG, since I think it's a
> > viable project. I don't know what solutions I could use.
> >
> > First: should I port it to SGML?
> 
> If it all possible. Although you won't be porting it to SGML, you'll be
> porting it to DocBook.
> 
> OK, I'm being pedantic. DocBook and HTML share the same relationship to
> SGML -- they're both languages defined using SGML.
> 
> > I never used SGML. The main problem (if
> > you see it) is that it's not really portable to anything else than HTML
> > I think. It use a lot of <table> tag, special colors... I use "GTML" to
> > generate style/colors and the NEXT HOME BACK link at the top and bottom.
> > Now it's simple for me to respect the style of it since all is automated
> > when I generate the script. I could even automate <TABLE> tag.
> 
> Most of that looks like it's stuff to specify commands, examples, and
> the like. DocBook doesn't need these, since it has element like
> 
>     <userinput>
>     <command>
>     <example>
>     <screen>
> 
> and so on. These, in conjunction with a stylesheet, determine what the
> output looks like.
> 
> See, for example, the Handbook converted from DocBook to HTML, at
> 
>     <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html>;
> 
> As you can see, userinput is clearly defined, navigation links are
> present, and so on.
> 
> See also my introduction to the Doc. Proj., at
> 
>     <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html>;
> 
> which has a lot of information about DocBook, the tags you want to use,
> and so on. The primer is incomplete, I should be uploading a more
> complete version tomorrow (Monday) evening.
> 
> > Second: How could I let people adding text to it but respecting the
> > style of it. What are the tools available to share it and let them
> > submit new work and corrections?
> 
> The simplest way is to let people download the source from you, and
> include instructions explaining how they can send you the diff.
> Alternatively, if and when this becomes a part of the core FreeBSD
> doc set, people can receive it in the same ways they can receive
> the other FreeBSD core docs.
> 
> You don't need to worry about the 'style' of it, because the style is
> dictated by the stylesheet. As long as people submitting content to you
> use the same elements to mean the same thing, it will look the same.
> This is one of the reasons I've written the primer listed above.
> 
> Incidentally, have you considered getting a lot of this content
> integrated into the FAQ? A lot of it looks like FAQ material.
> 
> N
> --
>             C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . .
Tank you for your informations. I like the new handbook and I will read
your introduction to the doc project.
It was supposed to be something like a tutorial, but I made it look like
a Q&A.
I don't know how to integrate it in the FreeBSD FAQ. Has a new section
or pick some part of it? Or the handbook?
Anyway, to me, it look more like a tutorial but it could change.
Thank You
-- 
[Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/]

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