Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:02:46 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" <michaelv@MindBender.serv.net> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: dennis <dennis@etinc.com>, Alex Belits <abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us>, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and NT Message-ID: <199707230503.WAA05004@MindBender.serv.net> In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 22 Jul 97 19:45:01 -0600. <199707230145.TAA10643@rocky.mt.sri.com>
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>> >I started asking around some of my 'NT' expert friends, and if you do
>> >'development' on an NT box, it's *very* unstable. Normal users can take
[...]
>> So what you're saying is I, and the thousands of people using NT for
>> serious development, without crashing it, are imagining things?
>I'm saying that there aren't thousands of people using NT for serious
>development w/out crashing it. I asked around to the the dozens of
>people I know that develop under NT, and they all say it crashes.
>(Though not as often as Win 3.1). Interestingly enough, I *rarely*
>crash Win95, but I guess I'm just lucky.
I hate to burst your bubble, but it's true. I wouldn't be so adamant
about it except that I do it successfully on a regular basis. My NT
box works fine. I push it hard. A lot. It never crashes. It never
does anything bad. Thousands of developers at Microsoft do the same.
Thousands, if not millions, of people use NT for mission-critical
servers, and manage to keep it up for weeks at a time.
I'm sorry you're having so many problems. And I'm not discounting
your experience. Obviously you're having problems, but without an
intimate knowledge of the situation, I can't tell you why you're
having problems.
And, obviously, this is a very anti-Microsoft crowd. I'd expect to
find a lot of people with a lot of negative things to say about NT.
No big deal. I just want you to understand that there are a lot of
people who manage to push NT very hard and not crash it. I don't
expect you to actually like NT, or Microsoft.
That doesn't make FreeBSD any less an excellent Unix. As I said in my
first post, there are a bunch of reasons why FreeBSD/NetBSD are better
for a small ISP. Not the least of which is that *BSD is in fact
substantially more responsive on lesser hardware. (Though I don't buy
the Novell guy's story -- a tired has-been OS that is way past its
prime -- it might run a little faster, but what does it give you? Not
much.)
>> I'm willing to accept that there is a buggy driver(s) which is biting
>> many people, and causing them lots of instability.
>With a Diamond video card, arguably the most common/popular card in
>existance?
I have a Diamond card myself. An S3 Virge-based Diamond Stealth 3D
3400. It works rock solid with my Asus P6NP5 motherboard. The exact
same video card wouldn't even boot in a Dell OptiPlex GXPro. Go
figure.
>> However, the fact that many many people are able to do serious
>> development on NT without crashes attests to the assertion that it is
>> not NT by itself that is the problem.
>See above. I don't buy the statement that 'many people are able to do
>development w/out serious crashes'.
Regardless, it's true.
>> Where is this Java/Visual-Depth patch located?
>Look in the knowledge database on the WWW server. I don't have the
>patch off-hand, but Java programs won't run in greater than 8-bit mode
>w/out it.
OK, so without this patch you crash the Java VM, an application, or
the entire NT OS?
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