Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:30:53 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org> To: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> Cc: "George V. Neville-Neil" <gnn@neville-neil.com>, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc. Message-ID: <20081209173053.GZ27096@elvis.mu.org> In-Reply-To: <7A8CC4E4-D59A-4841-8800-A3509C9DB68E@netconsonance.com> References: <4912E462.4090608@icyb.net.ua> <491586B9.2020303@vwsoft.com> <4919851B.7050800@icyb.net.ua> <492FF127.807@icyb.net.ua> <31DE68A5-D3CB-4C33-86E6-515581B425E1@netconsonance.com> <m28wqzmzu7.wl%gnn@neville-neil.com> <7A8CC4E4-D59A-4841-8800-A3509C9DB68E@netconsonance.com>
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Jo, I'm trying to get FreeBSD to consider not supporting another "6.4" or "5.5" as both seems to have some of the problems you're describing due to a the next gen -stable being out for so long sucking away developer time. As a user, what do you think about this? I hate to force users to upgrade, but I also hate to potentially be falsly advertising "stability" when there might not be enough maintainers to keep that true. Thoughts? -Alfred * Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> [081201 12:28] wrote: > On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:59 AM, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: > >I have mostly stayed away from these threads because they've often > >devolved into unproductive finger pointing. > > > >Please leave the hyperbole out of your posts, or at least attempt to > >cut it back. People on these lists are working quite hard to solve > >problems for the whole of the FreeBSD community and your posts, such > >as this one, are not helping us to move forward. > > > My posts have always been directed at solving very real, operational > problems with using FreeBSD on server platforms, which is exactly the > stated goal for freebsd. I have always offered not only problems, but > resources to help test or evaluate the issues, and serious > considerations for ways to improve the process. > > Yes, you're right. Threads I start about real problems always devolve > into unproductive finger pointing. That would be the freebsd > developers attacking the reporter for identifying a real, operational > problem. Take a look at the posts of the FreeBSD developers, and view > for yourself the unprofessional attacks and personal insults hurled by > them at people who are simply trying to get real problems resolved. > > And yet, instead of asking your developers to stop violating the > posted rules of the mailing list, you are asking a bug reporter who > simply informed another bug reporter that their problem was both > widespread and not limited to USB devices to stop posting to the > list. Because god knows that "yes we saw it too and it's widely > reported" is bad behavior. Much worse that personal attacks which are > strictly against the list rules. > > Yes, I'm sure that the personal attacks really do help drive freebsd > development forward. Much more so than me bringing resources and > actually testing things does. > > Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing > to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then > publicly calling out someone for just saying "yeah, it's a widely > reported problem" ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going > to happen here. > > Your request is accepted. I'm unsubscribing now. > > -- > Jo Rhett > Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source > and other randomness > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- - Alfred Perlstein
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