Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:56:02 -0400 From: Randall Hopper <rhh@ct.picker.com> To: Roger Hardiman <roger@cs.strath.ac.uk>, Mark Handley <mjh@east.isi.edu>, Mark Tinguely <tinguely@plains.nodak.edu>, Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>, Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, Eivind Eklund <eivind@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list closed to non subscribers Message-ID: <19980711125602.A14345@ct.picker.com> In-Reply-To: <4458.899321082@north.lcs.mit.edu>; from Mark Handley on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 03:24:42PM -0400 References: <199807011757.MAA19802@plains.NoDak.edu> <4458.899321082@north.lcs.mit.edu>
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The "consensus building" messages:
Mark Handley:
|The technological solution to this problem would be to only allow
|postings from members of the list.
Amancio Hasty:
|I like that idea a lot .
Amancio Hasty:
|I see however what we are asking to have the multimedia mailing list
|accept mail *only* from members. Can you do that?
Amancio Hasty:
|The list is now closed and it is time to go back to our multimedia
|related topics.
Roger Hardiman:
|Is -muiltimedia still closed so you need to subscribe before you
|can post?
|
|I'd like it open again, as it used to be.
I agree (for your reasons, and a few others which I posted 7/2).
At the very least, I'd expect opinions/votes to be solicited and discussion
to be held on this topic by list members (and FreeBSD folks in general)
before we decide on a policy for all of us based on the expressed desires
of only one person. I'd come to expect more from the FreeBSD community.
I didn't think this is how we did things here (sounds like Li*ux).
|I'd like the group back open again.
Seconded. And if some still want it closed, we should "discuss" this and
solicit positions/votes first.
|Perhaps those that reply with abusive comments about Microsoft
|operating systems could just ignore Windows posts.
Ditto that. I also have been perturbed by the rudeness of some folks
responding to MSW posters. If one of those had been my first exposure to
FreeBSD years ago, I for one would have gone elsewhere. All we need is a
little tact and a desire to help--who knows who is on the verge of kicking
the MSW habit.
Randall
Randall Hopper:
|Amancio Hasty:
| |Only members are allowed to post to the multimedia mailing list.
|
|This is a bad idea IMO.
|
|Some newer folks that pick up the Bt848 driver or some FreeBSD util and
|have trouble with it want to mail a question without signing up for a
|mailing list, waiting until they know they're getting the messages, post
|the question, accumulate a bunch of irrelevent list mail, get their answer,
|and then unsubscribe.
|
|They'll more likely just drop the driver/utility, forget the problem, and
|go onto something else. That's what we'll be encouraging.
|
|Don't forget that not everyone has an ISP that let's them accumulate the
|mail traffic some mailing lists produce, even if they're willing to put up
|with the inconvenience of subscribe/wait/post/wait/unsubscribe/clean house.
|
|I do this same thing with various S/W I use.
|
|Do the few Windoze posts we get here from time to time annoy you that much?
|Hey man, relax and take a vacation. ;-)
|
|Randall
|
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Randall
Roger Hardiman <roger@cs.strath.ac.uk>:
|Hi,
|
|Is -muiltimedia still closed so you need to subscribe before you
|can post?
|
|I'd like it open again, as it used to be.
|
|Few reasons.
|1) We only ever have one or two Windows 95/98/NT questions a month.
| And I usually reply direct to the author with the answer anyway.
|
| (I reply with a friendly comment about a) what FreeBSD is, b) where
| the correct place to post/search is and c) I often know the
| answer anyway as I have Win95/98/NT 4 boxes with Bt848's based
| grabbers and do some Video for Windows API development.
|
|2) In Europe, local calls (to your ISP) are not free. email costs me
|money.
| freebsd-muiltimedia is low traffic, but subscribing increases the
| amount of mail you need to download, when usually the reply you
| wanted is CC'ed to the original author anyway.
|
|I'd like the group back open again.
|
|This time, we could generate some stats on Windows posts and just see
|how
|frequently they occur.
|Perhaps those that reply with abusive comments about Microsoft
|operating systems could just ignore Windows posts.
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