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Date:      Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:02:48 -0800
From:      Chris Andrews <chris@Livecast.com>
To:        jim@osd.bsdi.com
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: Please change this
Message-ID:  <NEBBKBEHALJPMIKHEBJOCEDPCGAA.chris@Livecast.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010104184645.A1664@envy.geekhouse.net>

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Hi,

Thanks for your response. I did look at the page prior to sending the email.
Unfortunately, search engines and the internet in general does not
categorize these things - copy is copy. And I have to presume that whoever
"owns" the site controls the copy.

My other choice was not to send the email to you at all, and we are held to
some strict guidelines as owners of the trademark in terms of working to
contain usage to appropriate usage.

We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of
clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Mock [mailto:jim@osd.bsdi.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:47 PM
To: Chris Andrews
Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Please change this


On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote:
> TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE
>
> It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast"
> on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages.
>
>
http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs
d-multimedia.html

Did you even bother looking at it?  If you did, you'd notice the URL you
specify above is to a mailing list archive.  The word "Livecast" is
mentioned because the poster says:

	news flash:

	I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a
	Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual.

> Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We
> would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or
> industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast."

So you're against people saying they have Livecast working?  Heh.

> Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important
> to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an
> accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can
> confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of
> Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark
> infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI.

What does this have to do with the message?  This tells me you didn't
even bother looking at the page you referenced.

> Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me
> back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also
> re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will
> ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when
> they do searches.

This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived
email sent from a private individual to a mailing list.  FreeBSD.org has
no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way
of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its
mailing lists.

- jim

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