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Date:      Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:17:06 -0400
From:      Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
Cc:        "Patrick Bihan-Faou" <patrick@mindstep.com>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Duplex settings (was Re: Re[2]: outgoing IP is fscking slow... )
Message-ID:  <4.2.2.20000729010824.049e7380@mail.sentex.net>
In-Reply-To: <200007290454.WAA62455@harmony.village.org>
References:  <Your message of "Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:40:21 MDT." <200007282340.RAA61041@harmony.village.org> <200007282340.RAA61041@harmony.village.org> <035601bff8d7$93b06010$040aa8c0@local.mindstep.com> <4.2.2.20000728091818.03db6d70@mail.sentex.net> <141681324352.20000728151722@buz.ch> <3981843A.8157C83C@mediaone.net> <13675259221.20000728133617@buz.ch> <3981843A.8157C83C@mediaone.net> <4.2.2.20000728113241.032cb3d8@mail.sentex.net>

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At 10:54 PM 7/28/2000 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
>In message <200007282340.RAA61041@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes:
>: I've seen this with the rl driver and the 8139, but with no other
>: parts.  The realtek part is really bad.
>
>Well, with some ethrenet hubs.  It does very well with switches, be
>they 10M or 100M.  The 10M ethernet hubs we have here (netgear mostly)
>have problems.

Hubs and switches for me.  I have found both the fxp and rl cards work well 
at duplex negotiation on my HP and cat2900 switches, but not against some 
IMC media convertors, 50% of my dumb hubs (everything from 3com - i.e. big 
name brands-- to ones manufactured on boats in international waters) and 
cat1900 switches.  Basically, I have yet to find a card that works reliably 
enough for me under any OS against any switch/hub to auto detect anything 
other than 10BaseT/UTP Half Duplex.  So even under NT (eg Intel Pro NICs 
dont get it right on my SMC Tigerswitch on NT 4.0) I will set the speed and 
duplex settings to match the switch/hub port.  Why let NICs/drivers guess, 
when you can 'give them the right answer' and not have to worry about it. 
This is policy for our entire network and generally means one less variable 
to worry about when diagnosing network problems.

         ---Mike
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Mike Tancsa,                          	          tel +1 519 651 3400
Network Administration,     			  mike@sentex.net
Sentex Communications                 		  www.sentex.net
Cambridge, Ontario Canada			  www.sentex.net/mike



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