Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:46:39 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo <sckhoo@asiapac.net> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" <michaelv@MindBender.serv.net> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, dennis <dennis@etinc.com>, Alex Belits <abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us>, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and NT Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970723134604.1285D-100000@topgun> In-Reply-To: <199707230503.WAA05004@MindBender.serv.net>
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ok guys, back to discussing ISP issue on FreeBSD. ok? we are getting no where on this. thanx. On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >> >I started asking around some of my 'NT' expert friends, and if you do > >> >'development' on an NT box, it's *very* unstable. Normal users can take > [...] > > >> So what you're saying is I, and the thousands of people using NT for > >> serious development, without crashing it, are imagining things? > > >I'm saying that there aren't thousands of people using NT for serious > >development w/out crashing it. I asked around to the the dozens of > >people I know that develop under NT, and they all say it crashes. > >(Though not as often as Win 3.1). Interestingly enough, I *rarely* > >crash Win95, but I guess I'm just lucky. > > I hate to burst your bubble, but it's true. I wouldn't be so adamant > about it except that I do it successfully on a regular basis. My NT > box works fine. I push it hard. A lot. It never crashes. It never > does anything bad. Thousands of developers at Microsoft do the same. > Thousands, if not millions, of people use NT for mission-critical > servers, and manage to keep it up for weeks at a time. > > I'm sorry you're having so many problems. And I'm not discounting > your experience. Obviously you're having problems, but without an > intimate knowledge of the situation, I can't tell you why you're > having problems. > > And, obviously, this is a very anti-Microsoft crowd. I'd expect to > find a lot of people with a lot of negative things to say about NT. > No big deal. I just want you to understand that there are a lot of > people who manage to push NT very hard and not crash it. I don't > expect you to actually like NT, or Microsoft. > > That doesn't make FreeBSD any less an excellent Unix. As I said in my > first post, there are a bunch of reasons why FreeBSD/NetBSD are better > for a small ISP. Not the least of which is that *BSD is in fact > substantially more responsive on lesser hardware. (Though I don't buy > the Novell guy's story -- a tired has-been OS that is way past its > prime -- it might run a little faster, but what does it give you? Not > much.) > > >> I'm willing to accept that there is a buggy driver(s) which is biting > >> many people, and causing them lots of instability. > > >With a Diamond video card, arguably the most common/popular card in > >existance? > > I have a Diamond card myself. An S3 Virge-based Diamond Stealth 3D > 3400. It works rock solid with my Asus P6NP5 motherboard. The exact > same video card wouldn't even boot in a Dell OptiPlex GXPro. Go > figure. > > >> However, the fact that many many people are able to do serious > >> development on NT without crashes attests to the assertion that it is > >> not NT by itself that is the problem. > > >See above. I don't buy the statement that 'many people are able to do > >development w/out serious crashes'. > > Regardless, it's true. > > >> Where is this Java/Visual-Depth patch located? > > >Look in the knowledge database on the WWW server. I don't have the > >patch off-hand, but Java programs won't run in greater than 8-bit mode > >w/out it. > > OK, so without this patch you crash the Java VM, an application, or > the entire NT OS? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Swee-Chuan Khoo sckhoo@asiapac.net System Administrator - Internet Evangelist http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ #include <std.disclaimner> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Astronimical Soc M'sia http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/asm.html "Simplify - There is no value in complexity, it's too difficult to manage."
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