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Date:      Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:18:06 +0200
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au>
Cc:        Peter Wemm <peter@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files src/sys/i386/conf files.i386 src/sys/alpha/conf files.alpha
Message-ID:  <19990908201806.B64229@daemon.ninth-circle.org>
In-Reply-To: <19990908212155.V36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au>
References:  <199909081108.EAA10089@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990908212155.V36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au>

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* John Birrell (jb@cimlogic.com.au) [990908 16:14]:
>On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 04:08:51AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote:
>> peter       1999/09/08 04:08:51 PDT
>> 
>>   Modified files:
>>     sys/conf             files 
>>   Log:
>>   s/sio/nsio/
[...]
>>   Log:
>>   Restore old sio driver for Bruce.  We'll fix the bus problems in nsio
>>   instead.
>
>Things seem to be "out-of-control" around here.

Define out of control?

[without trying to step on no-one's toes here, which probably is futile
anyways [sic]]

What I have seen being discussed by Peter, Matthew and Poul if memory
serves me right is natural progress.

Granted, stepping on MAINTAINER's toes is not something that's being
willingly done. At least I don't think it should be. However it seems
that the main issue at the moment is is that everybody clutches
themselves to a particular piece of code of FreeBSD and completely
claiming it as their own. This is good with regard to making sure some
level of stability is conceived with regard to the code, but otherwise
it's a pain in the butt since nothing seems to be done around the 
sourcetree with any significant changes lest some people who were
always used to the way it works are now somewhat in the way of making
natural progress on sourcecode.

Of course we don't want the chaos that Linux is, I at least don't want
that personally, but there's also a certain sentiment amongst other
people who try to stick as much to the system as it were in 2.2.x. 
[Please note that I am in no way accusing any of the addressed people
with this]

Come on, people, 4.0 is the best version I have seen since I started my
meager steps in the world of BSD somewhat over more than a year and a
half ago now. Like we told doc-jp, sometimes swallow your pride and
adjust.

Excuse the rant.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>;
Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
Cogito, ergo sum.


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