Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:32:13 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org> To: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) Message-ID: <20010314123213.A2341@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <15023.49981.504894.198797@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:15:09PM -0700 References: <10215.984516433@critter> <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010314105913O.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.49981.504894.198797@nomad.yogotech.com>
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
> Core's lack of involvement is allowing this behavior to continue.
> Core's involvement would *a* solution, not necessarily the only
> solution, or even the full solution.
Many of us do not want the Core of the past where there was a ruling
eleet. And I think that has been reflected in the current Core.
I agree with JKH here -- it does not have to be Core to do something. It
could be *anyone*. In fact the right person to do the things you are
looking for, should be chosen much more for their personality and
charisma, than being being elected to an administrative body.
> Again, using your analogy above, should the teachers refuse to get
> involved with the process and wait until *after* the shootings have
> occurred?
Core is the the "teachers", committers are. I resent putting Core high
up on a worship pedestal for committers to bow down at.
> That's what you're implying above. Core is the over-sight
> committee, and by getting involved *earlier* they can have a positive
> effect on the discussions, and try to help out the discussions so that
> the bullys don't end up taking over the school. :)
This positive affect should come from committers as a whole. Granted
committers often don't speak up. So you should be encouraging them, not
hounding Core to do something no longer on their list of
responsibilities.
> I never said. I'm saying that 'individuals' do, but the core as a whole
> doesn't. When core individuals get involved, they do it as themselves,
And that is how it should be most of the time.
> However, what I believe Jeroen is asking for is 'direction' and
> 'blessing'.
I did not read that to mean a blessing and direction from Core, but from
FreeBSD as a whole. Any gifted and talented committer with the time and
respect of others can fill this role.
> Blood and talent don't know *IF* what they are doing will be accepted,
> so unless they have direction.
The direction and acceptance comes from committers.
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-- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)
GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX
Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion.
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