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Date:      Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:56:58 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Heads up on LFS
Message-ID:  <199808072156.PAA21693@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199808072152.OAA29583@usr02.primenet.com>
References:  <199808071604.KAA18835@mt.sri.com> <199808072152.OAA29583@usr02.primenet.com>

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> Let's repeat part of it again, since you appear to have missed it:
> 
> > > until the GC hits a steady state.
> 
> Let's repeat it in uppercase:
> 
> > > UNTIL THE GC HITS A STEADY STATE.
> 
> Now let's repeat one of your statements:
> 
> > *worst case* I've even seen in Java is about 2 * 500K-1MB objects not
> > being GC'd in about 1 second on a heavily loaded (~100% CPU) bound
> > machine.
> 
> Sounds like "a steady state"; specifically, it sounds like a steady state
> of the class "pool retention time based recovery latency".

There is no 'steady state' in Java.  It's a regular occurance that
occurs all the time.

> > This is not 'leaking live a sieve', as you so ignorantly put.
> 
> No, this is 'leaking like a sieve until the GC hits a steady state';

See above. 

> it is *you* who 'so ignorantly' took a portion of my statement out
> of the context of its limitation criteria to make it look like I
> was somehow claiming an implementation bug that doesn't exist instead
> of a language design bug that does (to wit, the reliance on garbage
> collection).

See above.  You imply a functionality in the VM that doesn't exist.

> > Do you even own a pilot?
> 
> I run "xcopilot"

So, you don't own a pilot.

> > Have you even attempted to run a Java VM on it?
> 
> No.  The memory is too small.

No, it's not.  Java runs fine on it, but its useless for anything
significant.



Nate

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