Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:35:20 -0600 From: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" <Randall.Burt@cnet.navy.mil> To: "'Roel Kroes'" <freebsd@Kroes.com>, Shawn Halloran <SPHalloran2@hotmail.com> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Question Regarding IENTD Message-ID: <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF025EDAFD@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB2D.ACC0D080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I managed to get FreeBSD working after about 2.5 days of experimentation and research. One of the reasons I kept at it is that I'm one of those "fed up with MS/closed software" types and was ready for something new. What I realized during this process is that all of this has made running a computer *fun* again. I know, I know, its frustrating, but what sense of accomplishment does one get from inserting the Windows CD and drinking coffee while the install does its thing? I'm not MS bashing, mind you, its just that I have felt for some time that computing was getting a bit stale and that every time there was some new, interesting technology, MS kindly packaged it up and took all of the fun (again, for me) out of it. Now, I've gotten into this Open OS stuff and am having a blast (though my language as gotten a bit foul of late :)) So, stick with it for stability. Stick with it for community. Stick with it because it assumes you DO know, or are capable of knowing, what you are doing. Stick with it for the fun. -----Original Message----- From: Roel Kroes [mailto:freebsd@Kroes.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Shawn Halloran Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question Regarding IENTD The first time i installed FreeBSD it failed too and I had the same feeling. So, you are not alone out there. When i finally got it installed (after lots of coffee), i had to find all the .conf files and find out how everything is configured. Like Apache, MySQL and the lot. *Sigh* Someone suggested me to start with Webmin, a webbased configuration tool for all kinds of OS'es. Now THAT was easy. Configuring FreeBSD was a breeze after I installed webmin. It lets me edit something in my browser and review the changes in the conf files. So i even learned something from it. Webmin lets you administer Apache, MySQL, FTP services, users, mailinglists and more all from your web browser. I can also think of lots of disadvantages for using such a tool but you say that all you want is to provide web services to small businesses. Then this is what you want. Have a look at http://www.webmin.com/ <http://www.webmin.com/>; Good luck. R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn <mailto:SPHalloran2@hotmail.com> Halloran To: Matt H <mailto:matt@proweb.co.uk> ; Christian Nelson <mailto:freshzive@charter.net> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG <mailto:freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Question Regarding IENTD Well, I'm a newbie and I'll respond to newbieism. I tried my first install last night and it failed. I'll try again this week end with a different partition (slice) structure. I don't know whether I should send out an SOS or sink into the abyss alone. I know I'll be able to learn this OS, but it's been a long time since I've experienced such confusion when sitting at a keyboard. Whether anybody gives a s@$% <mailto:s@$%> or not, my motivations to learn FreeBSD include a) a desire to provide web services to small businesses b) a free OS used by 60% of the servers on the web, , b) Apache Server (open-source software) and, c) no licensing restrictions. Any suggestions? I'm getting the feeling I need to approach this project with a lot of optimism. Shawn H ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt H Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:44 AM To: Christian Nelson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question Regarding IENTD On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:46:04 -0800 "Christian Nelson" <freshzive@charter.net> wrote: > Hi..I'm new to the mailing lists.so give me a break here..and let me > know if I'm doing this totally wrong. yeah, you should direct questions to freebsd-questions and not newbies newbies is for, well, people to discuss what it's like being a newbie and I've never seen any traffic in here regarding newbieism butI do see plenty of mis-directed questions... > (http/ssh/ssh2/ftp all work fine) except that for some reason I cannot > get IDENTD to work. I had it running before it was behind the router > fine and it worked great. Once they dig around a bit most people dump inetd as it's not a great piece of software. Apparently it leaks memory (bad thing) and can be insecure (badder thing) the alternatives usually recommended are xinetd, tcpwrapeprs or tcpserver I use tcpserver because that's what gets installed when you replace sendmail with qmail you might get different and possibly better advice from freebsd-questions though M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com <http://explorer.msn.com>; ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB2D.ACC0D080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=535272514-01022002><FONT face=verdana>Well, I managed to get FreeBSD working after about 2.5 days of experimentation and research. One of the reasons I kept at it is that I'm one of those "fed up with MS/closed software" types and was ready for something new. What I realized during this process is that all of this has made running a computer *fun* again. I know, I know, its frustrating, but what sense of accomplishment does one get from inserting the Windows CD and drinking coffee while the install does its thing? I'm not MS bashing, mind you, its just that I have felt for some time that computing was getting a bit stale and that every time there was some new, interesting technology, MS kindly packaged it up and took all of the fun (again, for me) out of it. Now, I've gotten into this Open OS stuff and am having a blast (though my language as gotten a bit foul of late :)) So, stick with it for stability. Stick with it for community. Stick with it because it assumes you DO know, or are capable of knowing, what you are doing. Stick with it for the fun.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Roel Kroes [mailto:freebsd@Kroes.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2002 4:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Shawn Halloran<BR><B>Cc:</B> freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Question Regarding IENTD<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>The first time i installed FreeBSD it failed too and I had the same feeling. So, you are not alone out there.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>When i finally got it installed (after lots of coffee), i had to find all the .conf files and find out how everything is configured. Like Apache, MySQL and the lot. *Sigh*</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Someone suggested me to start with Webmin, a webbased configuration tool for all kinds of OS'es. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Now THAT was easy. Configuring FreeBSD was a breeze after I installed webmin. It lets me edit something in my browser and review the changes in the conf files. So i even learned something from it. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>Webmin lets you administer Apache, MySQL, FTP services, users, mailinglists and more all from your web browser. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I can also think of lots of disadvantages for using such a tool but you say that all you want is to provide web services to small businesses. Then this is what you want.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Have a look at <A href="http://www.webmin.com/">http://www.webmin.com/</A> </FONT></DIV>; <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Good luck.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>R.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=SPHalloran2@hotmail.com href="mailto:SPHalloran2@hotmail.com">Shawn Halloran</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=matt@proweb.co.uk href="mailto:matt@proweb.co.uk">Matt H</A> ; <A title=freshzive@charter.net href="mailto:freshzive@charter.net">Christian Nelson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG href="mailto:freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG">freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2002 10:58 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Question Regarding IENTD</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Well, I'm a newbie and I'll respond to newbieism.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tried my first install last night and it failed. I'll try again this week end with a different partition (slice) structure. I don't know whether I should send out an SOS or sink into the abyss alone. I know I'll be able to learn this OS, but it's been a long time since I've experienced such confusion when sitting at a keyboard. Whether anybody gives a <A href="mailto:s@$%">s@$%</A> or not, my motivations to learn FreeBSD include a) a desire to provide web services to small businesses b) a free OS used by 60% of the servers on the web, , b) Apache Server (open-source software) and, c) no licensing restrictions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any suggestions? I'm getting the feeling I need to approach this project with a lot of optimism. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shawn H</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Matt H</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2002 1:44 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> Christian Nelson</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Cc:</B> freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Question Regarding IENTD</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:46:04 -0800<BR>"Christian Nelson" <freshzive@charter.net> wrote:<BR><BR>> Hi..I'm new to the mailing lists.so give me a break here..and let me<BR>> know if I'm doing this totally wrong.<BR><BR>yeah, you should direct questions to freebsd-questions and not newbies<BR><BR>newbies is for, well, people to discuss what it's like being a newbie and I've never seen any traffic in here regarding newbieism butI do see plenty of mis-directed questions...<BR><BR><BR>> (http/ssh/ssh2/ftp all work fine) except that for some reason I cannot<BR>> get IDENTD to work. I had it running before it was behind the router<BR>> fine and it worked great.<BR><BR>Once they dig around a bit most people dump inetd as it's not a great piece of software. Apparently it leaks memory (bad thing) and can be insecure (badder thing)<BR><BR>the alternatives usually recommended are xinetd, tcpwrapeprs or tcpserver<BR><BR>I use tcpserver because that's what gets installed when you replace sendmail with qmail<BR><BR>you might get different and possibly better advice from freebsd-questions though<BR><BR>M<BR><BR>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org<BR>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR clear=all> <HR> Get more from the Web. 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