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Date:      Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:31:40 -0500 (EST)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
Cc:        Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, julian@whistle.com
Subject:   Re: Threads goals  version II
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910312324010.29073-100000@picnic.mat.net>
In-Reply-To: <199911010421.VAA15119@mt.sri.com>

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On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Nate Williams wrote:

> > > > > 6/ (contentious) multiple theads should be bound to within the resource
> > > > >         limits of the single process.
> > > > 
> > > > Multiple processes/LWPs should be allowed to have their own quantum and
> > > > not count towards the [parent] process quantum, right?
> > > 
> > > As I read that, no.  A multi-threaded process shouldn't be given any
> > > more 'resources' than a single-threaded process.
> > 
> > With the notable exception that a multithreaded process must be able to be
> > concurrently running on multiple processors simpultaneously, right?
> 
> I'm not sure.  Once could argue that you get X% of the total CPU, which
> means that if you're normally allotted 20%, a single-threaded process
> would get 20% of a single CPU, and a threaded process might get 2x10% of
> each CPU (depending on whether or not the threads need to be on multiple
> CPU's, which may be the case.)
> 
> It's an interesting problem....

I've been wondering what would be a practical minimum limit on the added
information needed in kernel for kernel threads, and it seems that a count
of runnable threads would be needed, and a count of thread blocks per
quantum.

If you had that, then you could see if there were just a few long running
threads, and if a process was hogging processor time without any threads
blocking, decrease the priority (like the present system).  If there were
a lot of blocks (much IO blockage) then I think I'd let the sucker go on,
right?

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