Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 01:54:11 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> To: Dimitry Andric <dim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Brooks Davis <brooks@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: WITHOUT_CLANG + WITHOUT_GCC vs XCC + WITHOUT_CROSS_COMPILER Message-ID: <229674360.20130518015411@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <FD22E076-B21B-496C-AE48-89CA2430A599@FreeBSD.org> References: <1713488536.20130518004618@serebryakov.spb.ru> <FD22E076-B21B-496C-AE48-89CA2430A599@FreeBSD.org>
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Hello, Dimitry. You wrote 18 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=8F 2013 =D0=B3., 1:35:25: >> Do we need such mode? DA> Well, if you are not interested in having any compilers (or toolchain DA> components) in your final world, they should not be built, right? Yes, it is perfectly valid to build system without compiler at all, IMHO. I mean, do we need mode, when "some" tools is used for compilation, and compiler is not configured by hands (via new XCxx variables) and not build at cross-tools stage. As I already said, I will be glad to see DIFFERENT knobs to select stage-3-built (and later used) compiler (external, configured explicitly via XCxx variables OR clang from sources OR gcc from sources -- three variants, clang from sources by default, as it is now) and other set of knobs (current WITHOUT_CLANG and WITHOUT_GCC) to disable these compilers as parts of TARGET system, like WITHOUT_BIND and others WITHOUT_xxx. These two+ compilers are different ones! And now we haven't any way to control them separately. Or, really, we have half-backed control: we could say "don't build cross-compiler, use external one", but we have no way to say "build cross-compiler, but not target one". It annoys me. But I afraid, I don't understand out build system well enough to provide patches, sorry. BTW, there is no way not to build binutils, as "install -s" used on "installworld" stage needs "strip". >> Is current behavior (risky on, IMHO) Ok? DA> No, obviously not. If you build world with "old" system headers (for DA> example when building head on stable/9), there will be trouble. Exactly! --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org>
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