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Date:      25 May 1999 08:01:29 -0000
From:      Sergey <serge69@nym.alias.net>
To:        "Mike Smith" <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: [Q] How stable is FreeBSD 3.X ? 
Message-ID:  <19990525080129.24577.qmail@nym.alias.net>
References:  <199905250635.XAA00767@dingo.cdrom.com>

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[1] > If you only complain about a months-old release, nobody is going to be
> able to help you.  Do you understand this?
No. I've think that your interesed in PR about any "supported"  release,
i.e.
3.0-3.2 for now. Ok, now I understand if my OS isn't stable - I can go to
hell.

Please WRITE this with RED <H1> font in Handbook. And you'll get 50 times
less problem reports. I don't catch this before your flame - thanks.

I swear NEVER report a problem if my OS isn't stable.

Sorry for you time, Sergey.

P.S.: Let's close this meaningless discussion. I ack, I was wrong ...

P.P.S.: I've wrote my tech PR again before read [1]. You are free to ignore
it,
           because 3.1R is too old to carry.


> If you have nothing more scientific than "it crashes eventually", how
> can you claim that this is the "same instability"?

It's same instability, because it gives same panic message in same
context.

panic: lockmgr: locking against myself.

This doesn't depend on running processes or system load.
This happens on exiting from '[','date'. One time in 'syncer'.
This happens randomly - so long time I was sure that this
is hardware problems. Once per 1-3 days.

I've got it when using softupdates (tunefs -n enable) and
when not using (tunefs -n disable).

> No.  You should be including the details in your initial report.  Why
> should we have to drag them out of you?
  I do, but it was ignored.


[ my advocacy ]

Ok, I agree my last claim (about RELEASES instability) in this thread
is out-of-context. A little prehistory...

 I've sent technical description in my early messages (before this thread).
Got only ONE reply, checked solution - it doesn't work, I notify this
person (@FreeBSD.ORG), but he ignores me... I was not satisfied
with results, but I have NO new info to raise problem technically again...

To be honest 3.1 instability is not problem for me - I have great 2.2.8
server! My target was notify you about problems and hear that this is
known and solved (or work in progress at least).

In this thread I want get only statistics and personal's opinion - NOT
solution
for 3.1R problem. But get almost NOTHING. Actually this looks like as no one
cares about stability ... Why?

So I've got new info at last - problem is NOT hardware dependent.

But, If so why, no one cares about my previous technical PR?
Does this mean that all similar reports ignored? This why I
downgrade my message to emotional level ;) It worked!

[ end of advocacy ]






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