Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:13:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Eivind Eklund <perhaps@yes.no> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATT Unix for Windows ! Message-ID: <199708271813.UAA01749@bitbox.follo.net> In-Reply-To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de's message of Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:33:36 %2B0200 References: <199708251245.WAA23142@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> <19970825204932.12036@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <34020362.7DB1@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> <19970825224258.55928@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <19970826083051.FR52594@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970826235525.22143@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <19970827093336.NX00626@uriah.heep.sax.de>
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> As Peter Korsten wrote:
>
> > The fact that I like windows, mice, pop-ups, buttons and the like
> > perhaps lies in my Amiga background.
>
> Since the advent of useable graphics adapters, i like windows much
> myself. I couldn't imagine the daily Unix work without X11 anymore,
> and i'm fighting hacky approaches like `svgalib' (in particular, those
> people who think that they need to use it) for these reasons: why the
> h*ck do they wanna force me to turn X11 off for their lousy
> application?
>
> > I find the
> > flexibility that Unix offers with it's pretty free-format confi-
> > guration files rather a disadvantage.
>
> Well, and that's the difference. Once you know the very basics of
> each, you also start to value the flexibility. I could also say i
> hate LISP since writing my applix-mode.el took me three or four hours,
> and i had to lookup almost every LISP primitive in the manual!? :-)
> But then, which language can you really learn within three or four
> hours? It was possible, it didn't make me a LISP wizard, but it
> offered me the ability to get done what i wanted to get done (a
> certain form of formatting required for an ApplixWord document, mostly
> the line breaks in a fairly strict and backslashified form as Applix
> did expect them). I don't believe any MS-Win editor (not counting a
> Windows port of Emacs, of course :) would have allowed me to get this
> done at all, simply since their developers didn't take into account
> that someone else might have such a weird request at some time.
Eh - you could do that in LISP or C[1] in BRIEF[3], in Lisp in Epsilon,
in C[2] in CodeWright, and in some other editor extension languages.
Emacs isn't the only editor written as an extension langauge with a
default setup anymore. It still has a powerful set of macros already
written; but it is possible in many other editors.
[1] "C" - this is their LISP hacked up in C-syntax. A bad idea IMHO,
but at some point the LISP/C balance tipped.
[2] Normal C - DLLs with an API to extend the editor. Usually more
work than with a dedicated extension language, but extremely
flexible - you can do absolutely anything with the editor.
[3] I don't know if BRIEF has been ported to Windows yet, or has been
left to rot in DOS. Extremely nice, though - works with
multi-gigabytes files easily, as opposed to Emacs. Lacks a good
set of modes and colours, though.
Eivind.
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