Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:40:26 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: "Allen Pulsifer" <pulsifer@mediaone.net> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: console support (was RIDE for BSD) Message-ID: <200001080640.PAA15557@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:05:03 EST." <NBBBJNDFEKPEHPFCLNLHIENFFAAA.pulsifer@mediaone.net> References: <NBBBJNDFEKPEHPFCLNLHIENFFAAA.pulsifer@mediaone.net>
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>I second this. I'm not a linux user, but as a FreeBSD newbie >I had a lot of trouble getting anywhere with console programs, >esp. emacs and various IDE's that I tried to install. The key >board mapping was difficult/impossible to figure out, and it [...] If the program in question is written so that it will properly use termcap, and your TERM environment variable is set correctly, this sort of thing shouldn't be happening. Emacs definitely works on cons25. If it isn't, there must be something wrong with your terminal settings. If the program dosn't work because it assumes a particular terinal type, it won't work on many serial terminal and X terminal emulators. This is not the way the UNIX program should be written. I would rather blame the programmer who wrote such programs... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jonathon >> McKitrick >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:42 AM >> To: Alexey N. Dokuchaev >> Cc: Adam; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: RIDE for BSD >> >> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Alexey N. Dokuchaev wrote: >> >> >Probably improving terminal would be one of the things Fbsd might consider >> >for future releases? >> > >> >And one more thing: until I wait for cool FreeBSD native terminal support, >> >I consider copying linux-terminal descrition for my linux box termcap. Did >> >anyone do anything like this before? What problems/pitfalls should I >> >encounter? Copying the linux terminal description won't solve anything, because the Linux console and the FreeBSD console drivers are DIFFERENT. Importing the termcap entry of the linux console and use it for FreeBSD console simply won't work. >> I must admit, this is one concept i do not understand. I mean, it makes >> sense to leave the system freely configurable, but wouldn't it make sense >> that the default config be useable? For exampl,e little things, like >> linux uses bash as the default shell. [...] You can use bash in FreeBSD as well, and it works. Only that bash is not the default shell in FreeBSD :-) This is because of licensing reason. And I believe bash will not be made to default in the future too. The default configuration in FreeBSD is usable. It is unfortunate that you don't like this default configuration because it doesn't look like Linux. But, what should we do? We cannot please everybody. You see, if we adopt one configuration, I am sure someone will say "Why on earth? I don't like this configuration." If there is a sound technical reason to use one particular configuration, we can persuade people. But, if it concerns people's preference, we are in LOOSE-LOOSE situation. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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