Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:38:00 -0400 From: Jules Gilbert <jules.stocks@gmail.com> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@stonehenge.com> Cc: freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Message-ID: <AANLkTinmfMdYUpNGKCCAX1cE7pZJDFC07BoRsQ9XxhsA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <AANLkTi=7sTm12NUdAeRrX1ZUsSveS9k7dk=hc%2BgWV9jK@mail.gmail.com> <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a browser. I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I really am out of date. (All I do is code.) But here's the thing: almost no one can make a java enabled browser, and lot's of us need exactly that, java running on our browsers. So obviously this means that something is seriously wrong -- and worse, when I asked "how", no one came back and said "Oh, you obviously didn't install such-and-such a patch, do that and everything will work." No, and worse, the responses are all about possible solutions in the distant not-known-when-and-only-maybe future. I do think we should all get behind this Beat fellow, he's beat@freebsd.org, his work seems closest to bringing up a java-enabled browser, with zero or at least few problems. --jg On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Jules" =3D=3D Jules Gilbert <jules.stocks@gmail.com> writes: > > Jules> Now an opinion. =A0If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should loo= k > Jules> around for an alternative, even inventing something else, somethin= g > Jules> that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java? > > That's precisely what the Oracle v. Google suit is about. =A0Dangerous > road to go down at this point. > > Or do you mean something that isn't even Java, but has a lot of > Java-like features? > > I think you're describing "everything else already available in > production". =A0Plenty of choices. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 00= 95 > <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>; > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussi= on > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Fellow Christians!, Read Galatians, chapter three, verse 14. =A0Here Paul documents that Christians have been made part of God's original promise to Abraham, and that, because of Jesus, we are tied to these same promises. But don't for a moment imagine that God is done with the Jews!, no, God is even today working to fulfill every promise he made, even to save every person in Israel -- which God declares will be the case, for he say's that "all Israel will be saved." About this business with Iran... =A0Don't fret. =A0Jeremiah, who probably wrote the most about modern day Iran, advises us, beginning in chapter 34, verse 49, that Iran is going to lose big. =A0Yes, one day both Egypt and Iran, in fact all of south-Asia be a community of Christian nations. =A0(Both Isaiah and Zechariah make similar statements.) =A0In fact Zechariah say's that Gazan's will one day be elected, freely elected by Jews, to high offices in Israel. =A0Imagine that! But as my wife just told me! when I tried this on her, people aren't saved (or even helped,) by knowledge of prophecy, no, real assistance from the God of the Bible comes only one way; =A0By tying oneself to Jesus, by asking to partner with him. =A0He is the basis of help, of love, and change that brings with it God's love and assistance.
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