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Date:      Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:36:16 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Chris Dillon <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us>
To:        groggy@iname.com
Cc:        Frank Griffith <frankg@idfw.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Telnet and EE
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.02A.9809170731410.17711-100000@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980917010505.3291B-100000@abc.xyz.net>

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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 groggy@iname.com wrote:

> 
> > For one thing, the telnet client that comes with Win95 and WinNT suck
> > rocks.  And I mean suck _bad_.  Microsoft can't seem to do anything
> > right, not even something as simple as a telnet client.  Check the
> > {free,share}ware sites for a decent Win* telnet client.  I use SimpTerm
> > on occasion and it seems to work well enough.
> 
> i dislike MS as much as anyone, but i wouldn't call a
> windowed telnet "simple" ;)  write one ;)

Ok, Ok... I know it isn't simple, but think of it in light of all the
other bits of software that "aren't simple".  It becomes pretty simple
all of a sudden.  :-)
 
> especially without the support of the UN*X
> environment.  i like my W98beta3 telnet compared to the
> crap i used to use with W31, and from what i understand,
> MS's networking is based on BSD code (they get what they
> can for free too ;) ...

>From what I can tell, the telnet client in 95 and NT is the same junk
they had in Win3.1.

> what REALLY sucks, and sucks BAD, is their utilities.
> i don't remember their exact names, but whatever their
> forms of nslookup, traceroute, ping, etc, are.

Heh, no kidding.  Those utilties are pretty set in their ways... not
flexible at all.  You'd think they could at least borrow some real
utilties from one of us free-unices.  They'd never do that, though,
because that would require that they give credit.


-- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net
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