Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:50:30 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Matthew Seaman <matthew@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: cron(8) improvement Message-ID: <780C84A0-A55A-44AC-A145-C33A5F175B02@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmomXRuwJdKUsbgMjvEtBaDiZoCxacLXOpxhCqoVhkigL6g@mail.gmail.com> References: <52792B60.1030309@allanjude.com> <488180AE-5C23-402A-BAA4-E3263D8C52BF@kientzle.com> <1383788977.14448.44112617.6F0D61A0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <527AFAA1.1040001@allanjude.com> <CA%2B7WWSdFFk4npy0=TOWO=6RApv5-wuJASHhE87eUf52DjQrxjw@mail.gmail.com> <D260751E-85D2-4591-88E0-5EFE1821D532@orthanc.ca> <CA%2B7WWSf_%2BBg8rjLdN1j032G2P81odfmQe-Ejyq7A4CqyqPqiAA@mail.gmail.com> <527BCA55.2000207@allanjude.com> <D5199AC5-61E9-4D58-B31E-51E47F1CCFDF@orthanc.ca> <527C5D52.7030508@allanjude.com> <047405A8-B6EB-427B-A2E4-6254DD1A077B@orthanc.ca> <CA%2B7WWSfiWT4wprOS8oQS5YaeE%2BjjyxfK5fzAyFz8XMyX_J%2BoLw@mail.gmail.com> <3E6377FF-69FE-48E4-BFB1-E5095A7FA1BB@orthanc.ca> <527C6DEF.6020102@allanjude.com> <527E3EB3.6000301@FreeBSD.org> <8034B822-F903-43D1-8BF6-DFAD7C22F5B0@gsoft.com.au> <CAJ-VmomXRuwJdKUsbgMjvEtBaDiZoCxacLXOpxhCqoVhkigL6g@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 10 Nov 2013, at 10:48, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote: >> ie either the file is named such that it is ignored by cron (preferable IMO) or the entries in them are commented out. > > I want the opposite. > > I'm kinda fed up installing packages that don't enable themselves. > > 'pkg install xorg' is not enough to get a working xorg. You have to > enable hal and dbus and then restart (so things come up in the right > order; manually starting them doesn't work) in order to get X working. I agree that is a pain in the arse, however it IS existing policy. I don't think changing it here is right - if the policy is to change it should be changed everywhere. > If people are really worried about this, then I suggest a couple of > package options for this stuff: > > * whether to default enable the package or not; > * whether to default enable the cron scripts or not. > > Please install the cron scripts by default. Please then write up a > simple rc.conf style setup where the cron scripts can check a config > file to see if they should run. I don't want to have to freaking > delete, rename, etc cron.d files. I just want the package files to be > almost-untouched and have an option of working out of the box. > > Please, please allow an option to make this crap work out of the box already. A rc.conf script sounds good to me. That still won't get you want you want though because the port/pkg install wouldn't touch it? (would it?) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C [-- Attachment #2 --] 0 *H 01 0 + 0 *H 040 0 *H 0}1 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1)0'U StartCom Certification Authority0 071024210155Z 171024210155Z01 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1806U/StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CA0"0 *H 0 -).2AUGo#G B|NDRpM-B=o -we5JQpa>O.#._<V [~**pz~3WG .ᘟMlr[<Ce6fqO"uxfWN#uicgkv$Lb%y`_{`xK'GN 00U 00U 0 U Sr풜\|~5NԸQ0 U #0N @[i04hCA0f+Z0X0'+0http://ocsp.startssl.com/ca0-+0!http://www.startssl.com/sfsca.crt0[U T0R0'%#!http://www.startssl.com/sfsca.crl0'%#!http://crl.startssl.com/sfsca.crl0U y0w0u +70f0.+"http://www.startssl.com/policy.pdf04+(http://www.startssl.com/intermediate.pdf0 *H }x,\c^ #wMq}>UK/^yX֏y frMIŲB61ymQҨݬZ0& ;@#13qۑ& ̢o 6r_;GO>*I( 74XS1r3)!LJy6Kotˆ# _wSr ;B ADp(fs 䰷6%.W0J3:bC<8t X1<Cn=t==wST~\wkBf|15zUP)(IjVB!OfI=bb\4-*em/нSJm7N[]'@ڽ D9Kr>R7/|o^I@ټ'Pa $ z9a'L)( I}vcH]۸D*W} m>Q|C.(,lQ0H00J0 *H 01 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1806U/StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CA0 130622020204Z 140622134059Z0a10U ZuK777LcafzI9w6M1 0 U doconnor@gsoft.com.au1$0" *H doconnor@gsoft.com.au0"0 *H 0 EРK-W,Юy"x}} J\,TzBGdm]b*ʹcj.MЍ ʄRdxJAHbP~v`x 8ОZKu:-5gP;+ /`_Sf (@8fWOx:@'Bԉn QvP7L{HOQz G;[g 3Pܹª1jb|&6 @ 5 O 00 U 0 0 U 0 U %0++0 U $y@0 U #0Sr풜\|~5NԸQ0 U 0doconnor@gsoft.com.au0LU C0?0; +70*0.+"http://www.startssl.com/policy.pdf0+00' StartCom Certification Authority0This certificate was issued according to the Class 1 Validation requirements of the StartCom CA policy, reliance only for the intended purpose in compliance of the relying party obligations.06U /0-0+)'%http://crl.startssl.com/crtu1-crl.crl0+009+0-http://ocsp.startssl.com/sub/class1/client/ca0B+06http://aia.startssl.com/certs/sub.class1.client.ca.crt0#U 0http://www.startssl.com/0 *H ]-z~2Ǚ$/H ks'^ %j=IZKCc#= ߳/??bu?'"9.>.ynbY2ejS% }FD#ARQp}z$KJ{2`e._=r^̈H3]uLB( D!" +Ñ'. *^ A(ՌFYy_2_c4˄dZs1o0k001 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1806U/StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CAJ0 + 0 *H 1 *H 0 *H 1 131110002030Z0# *H 11)ϭ d=@v*91$\0 +71001 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1806U/StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CAJ0 *H 101 0 UIL10U StartCom Ltd.1+0)U "Secure Digital Certificate Signing1806U/StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Client CAJ0 *H +ݓ`lRqA, X;rʏj- 9kV$MR~OwJ$l\H[;Ay>34(4ofR*8aJx-6:\wJ,&Flk 1+BB %Q朤3V .[ oRQq GOW7 +Ȉ6;]@c =x b=>d\s?~E %~t!*E9g+bSm k?help
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