Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:50:30 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Matthew Seaman <matthew@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: cron(8) improvement Message-ID: <780C84A0-A55A-44AC-A145-C33A5F175B02@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmomXRuwJdKUsbgMjvEtBaDiZoCxacLXOpxhCqoVhkigL6g@mail.gmail.com> References: <52792B60.1030309@allanjude.com> <488180AE-5C23-402A-BAA4-E3263D8C52BF@kientzle.com> <1383788977.14448.44112617.6F0D61A0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <527AFAA1.1040001@allanjude.com> <CA%2B7WWSdFFk4npy0=TOWO=6RApv5-wuJASHhE87eUf52DjQrxjw@mail.gmail.com> <D260751E-85D2-4591-88E0-5EFE1821D532@orthanc.ca> <CA%2B7WWSf_%2BBg8rjLdN1j032G2P81odfmQe-Ejyq7A4CqyqPqiAA@mail.gmail.com> <527BCA55.2000207@allanjude.com> <D5199AC5-61E9-4D58-B31E-51E47F1CCFDF@orthanc.ca> <527C5D52.7030508@allanjude.com> <047405A8-B6EB-427B-A2E4-6254DD1A077B@orthanc.ca> <CA%2B7WWSfiWT4wprOS8oQS5YaeE%2BjjyxfK5fzAyFz8XMyX_J%2BoLw@mail.gmail.com> <3E6377FF-69FE-48E4-BFB1-E5095A7FA1BB@orthanc.ca> <527C6DEF.6020102@allanjude.com> <527E3EB3.6000301@FreeBSD.org> <8034B822-F903-43D1-8BF6-DFAD7C22F5B0@gsoft.com.au> <CAJ-VmomXRuwJdKUsbgMjvEtBaDiZoCxacLXOpxhCqoVhkigL6g@mail.gmail.com>
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--Apple-Mail=_9D31786A-359C-4A8B-9879-0F542306600D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 10 Nov 2013, at 10:48, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote: >> ie either the file is named such that it is ignored by cron = (preferable IMO) or the entries in them are commented out. >=20 > I want the opposite. >=20 > I'm kinda fed up installing packages that don't enable themselves. >=20 > 'pkg install xorg' is not enough to get a working xorg. You have to > enable hal and dbus and then restart (so things come up in the right > order; manually starting them doesn't work) in order to get X working. I agree that is a pain in the arse, however it IS existing policy. I don't think changing it here is right - if the policy is to change it = should be changed everywhere. > If people are really worried about this, then I suggest a couple of > package options for this stuff: >=20 > * whether to default enable the package or not; > * whether to default enable the cron scripts or not. >=20 > Please install the cron scripts by default. Please then write up a > simple rc.conf style setup where the cron scripts can check a config > file to see if they should run. I don't want to have to freaking > delete, rename, etc cron.d files. I just want the package files to be > almost-untouched and have an option of working out of the box. >=20 > Please, please allow an option to make this crap work out of the box = already. A rc.conf script sounds good to me. That still won't get you want you want though because the port/pkg = install wouldn't touch it? (would it?) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --Apple-Mail=_9D31786A-359C-4A8B-9879-0F542306600D Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMhDCCBjQw ggQcoAMCAQICAR4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwfTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0 Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxKTAn BgNVBAMTIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA3MTAyNDIxMDE1NVoX DTE3MTAyNDIxMDE1NVowgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSsw KQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWduaW5nMTgwNgYDVQQDEy9TdGFy 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