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Date:      Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:02:08 +1100
From:      Andrew Reilly <andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org>
To:        Bruce Simpson <bms@incunabulum.net>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon <avg@icyb.net.ua>
Subject:   Re: weeding out c++ keywords from sys/sys
Message-ID:  <20090216060208.GB70145@duncan.reilly.home>
In-Reply-To: <49983868.5010107@incunabulum.net>
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 03:44:40PM +0000, Bruce Simpson wrote:
> I wonder if many of the objections raised against C++ have actually been 
> considered in the light of the new C++0x spec.

Has that been released yet?  I thought it was still being worked-on.

> At the moment, there are several projects out there which don't even 
> involve C++ in the *kernel*, which are directly impacted by the issues 
> which Andriy is attempting to solve because they use the system headers; 
> I therefore fully support what he is doing, as he is saving people a lot 
> of hassle.

Me too.  That's precicely why I didn't object to that work.

I certainly don't consider myself to be an objector, and I hope that my
comments weren't taken as such.

> It's time to get real, and admit that C++ is a very powerful tool that, 
> whilst it can be misused in untrained hands, can be very powerful in 
> skillful hands. Just because something isn't to one's personal tastes, 
> doesn't mean it should be regarded as anathema or mandatory, IMHO.

It's the "mandatory" that does worry me a little.  Once the cammel has his nose
inside the tent...  everyone will want one.

Cheers,

Andrew.



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