Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:30:24 +0800 From: intron@intron.ac To: Hiroki Sato <hrs@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, cnproj-cvs@lists.cn.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chinese Bookmark with DVIPDFMx Message-ID: <200604021732.k32HWiqn099718@zhao.intron.ac> In-Reply-To: <20060403.004732.73716044.hrs@allbsd.org> References: <200603271422.k2REMhaX028732@zhao.intron.ac> <20060402.181531.102678596.hrs@allbsd.org> <courier.442FE9A7.0000CE22@intron.ac> <20060403.004732.73716044.hrs@allbsd.org>
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I used a word "experimentally" in my previous mails to you
just because I am walking on a temporary way for test purpose only.
Actually, if FDP is transfered into a XSL system, only a few
FreeBSD-specific DSSSL style sheets need to be converted into XSL style
sheets, and those SGML DTDs need to be converted into XML DTDs with
slight changes. After all, most of style sheets for FDP are provided
by Norman Walsh, either in DSSSL or in XSL.
In fact, Jade/OpenJade's bugs (mainly around its tex-backend) are
only minor. TeX's bugs and the glued relationship between Jade/OpenJade
and TeX is the substantial of problems. Sometimes, we cannot find
a way out for Jade/OpenJade to let TeX consider it as "correct", and
maybe even both two sides of a problem are taken as "wrong" by TeX.
At least today XML/XSL is the developing trend rather than
SGML/DSSSL. So many efforts are focused on XML/XSL in open source
community all over the world. XML/XSL system supports Unicode natively,
which means all languages including your Nipponese may be well solved.
Now MySQL's docments are typeset by Apache FOP, which have better
quality than current FreeBSD documents (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/),
even only in English. Their PDFs have commercial-level typesetting
styles in some details: word-splitting, margin kerning and font
expansion, just as LaTeX + microtype package do. It seems that XSL
system is absolutely not a simple "it works" one, at least witnessed
by 1727-paged "MySQL 5.1 Reference Manual".
FreeBSD's style is stability and dependability, not being behind
the times.
Hiroki Sato wrote:
> intron@intron.ac wrote
> in <courier.442FE9A7.0000CE22@intron.ac>:
>
> in> 1.For LaTeX+DVIPDFM(x):
> in> "\usepackage[bookmarks,CJKbookmarks,dvipdfm]{hyperref}"
> in> No need for "\AtBeginDvi{\special{pdf:tounicode XXX}}".
>
> CJKbookmarks option does not work for some encodings (other
> than Chinese). I know Big5 works, though.
>
> in> 2.For LaTeX+DVIPS+GhostScript:
> in> "\usepackage[bookmarks,CJKbookmarks,dvips]{hyperref}"
>
> in> 3.For PDFTeX:
> in> "\usepackage[bookmarks,CJKbookmarks,pdftex]{hyperref}"
>
> Ditto. Anyway, conversion of bookmarks to UTF is important
> for all 1, 2, and 3. On Postscript level, using CMap is
> handy and portable among various encodings, I think.
>
> in> Although Chinese support has been merged into FreeBSD CVS tree,
> in> I am still not satisfied with buggy Jade/OpenJade, puzzling LISP-style
> in> DSSSL and those shabby PDFs.
> in> Are you interested in DB2LaTeX/DBLaTeX or Apache FOP?
> in> If DB2LaTeX/DBLaTeX is used, the excellent typesetting engine TeX
> in> can be used. But after all TeX is led by western open source community,
> in> lacking support for oriental languages.
> in> As far as I know, Apache FOP can only be run on Java VM.
>
> I prefer using Norm's DocBook XSL stylesheets and an XSL-FO
> processor rather than DB2LaTeX because TeX is still problematic for
> not-well-supported languages. For example, xmlroff (textproc/xmlroff)
> can generate PDF document from XSL-FO document without Java (not-well
> documented, but it also works well for Asian languages).
> However, if we use them, we have to convert the existing DSSSL
> stylesheet to XSLT at least.
>
> Just wondering, what bugs did you experienced with Jade/OpenJade?
> For now, fixing Jade and JadeTeX is one of the easier solutions
> and actually murray@ has been doing so for publishing FreeBSD
> Handbook third edition. Switching the current toolchains over to
> another ones will be a pain and needs more discussion about
> long term plan for FDP document management. Simple "it works"
> is not enough as the reason.
>
> --
> | Hiroki SATO
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