Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:21:01 -0800 From: Gary Kline <kline@tao.thought.org> To: "illoai@gmail.com" <illoai@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A script for poets Message-ID: <20060209172101.GA37464@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <d7195cff0602081449l2d5b1631k1319ebcd8e395022@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060208202634.0211cea8@broadpark.no> <20060208204359.GA19830@thought.org> <d7195cff0602081449l2d5b1631k1319ebcd8e395022@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:49:47PM -0600, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 2/8/06, Gary Kline <kline@tao.thought.org> wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > > > Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > > > has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > > > rhymes, > > > poems or just make up funny lines. > > As below, but textproc/dadadodo is about it so > far as meaningfulness in computer generated > text can get. > > > > > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. > > > . . . > > Quite the task, that. Reading Spenser, Shakespeare, > and older metrical and rhyming poetry can give you > an indication of how difficult even the bland, mechanical > regurgiation of poetry can be: > Most words ending in -ed have one more syllable than > we usually enunciate. > Room and Rome can rhyme. > Wawain, Gawain, Gawaine are exactly the same person. > > Most of this can be scripted around, double entries in > the syllabary for possible pronunciations and known > obscure rhymes, etc. Still leaves no way to innovate > structure that's not coded in. > Anyway, this gets into AI, and as jwz points out, most of > modern AI research is fairly intellectually dishonest. > Yeh, given the way the English has stolen, borrowed words from Everywhere--and still is--it just makes sense to spend a few years taking poetry classes than invest decades trying to invent an AI tool. Poetry, creativity, philosophy (for starters) are just a few areas where we poor humans still beat any program. Thanks the gods. gary PS: among my Jottings stuff I dreamed up something like: "the reign of depression" ... . AI? Foo! > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix
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