Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:23:13 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Cc: Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> Subject: Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification. Message-ID: <20071018212313.GA58541@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071018211802.GC28392@demeter.hydra> References: <20071018133421.B92952@prime.gushi.org> <47179E35.2000700@gmail.com> <20071018195134.GJ57252@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20071018211802.GC28392@demeter.hydra>
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 03:18:02PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 03:51:34PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Rob wrote: > > > > > Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > > > >I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. > > > >I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It > > > >costs a lot of money. > > > > > > There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the > > > archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The > > > certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that > > > sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? > > > > Sounds a little like way back when 'Crest" toothpaste used to adversised > > that it was the only one accepted as an effective dentifrice by the > > American Dental Association (I think that was the name they used) when > > they were the only ones who had ever sought the credential and essentially > > made up the category themselves. After several years some other brand > > finally did it too and then they all quit using it in their advertising. > > > > So, probably this is only meaningful as long as Apple Spotted Cat OS is > > the only one doing it. If someone else does it, then it won't be > > worth anything to anyone. > > I'm at least aware of the following Single UNIX Specification compliant > OSes: > > AIX > Darwin[1] > HP-UX > MacOS X > OpenServer > Solaris > Tru64 Unix > UnixWare > UX/4800 > z/OS Wow. I am surprised that so many have gone to the trouble, given how many of those are proprietary and how little applicability it has. ////jerry > > [1]: I'm guessing about Darwin, as a subset of MacOS X that contains all > the bits needed to make a complete Unix-like OS. It may not be > officially recognized as compliant. > > Not all versions of all of those are compliant, of course, but they all > have been or are currently (meaning, in some previous or current release > version) certified SUS compliant. There are quite a few "Enterprisey" > corporate shops that put a lot of stock in SUS certification, so in terms > of widespread adoption in business environments for server > implementations, it's not something that "won't be worth anything to > anyone". Whether or not that means it's worth anything to FreeBSD is up > for debate, I suppose. > > I find myself wondering if the SUS is losing what technical value it may > have once had. The fact that MacOS X is certified kinda makes me even > more suspicious of the value of the certification than I was already. > > Of course, with the rate at which open source OSes like FreeBSD (and > other BSD Unix systems, and of course Linux distributions) progress, one > must wonder how SUS certification can even be practical in application in > the open source world. Certification takes time and money, and would > need to be acquired anew for every release version (unless things change > in regard to how certification is applied). That seems a little outside > the realm of reasonability. > > -- > CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] > Isaac Asimov: "Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is > completely programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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