Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:25:33 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Robert Clark" <res03db2@gte.net> Cc: "Don Wilde" <Don@Silver-Lynx.com>, "Gilbert Gong" <ggong@cal.alumni.berkeley.edu>, "j mckitrick" <jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org>, <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning? Message-ID: <004101c10a93$12c42800$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010711182056.C26794@darkstar.gte.net>
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I'm too young for him as a Governor and definitely for him as a movie star. I have 2 associations for you though: Remember the kids spraypainting "RayGun" all over the place? Then later the "Trust Jesus" (although that was a PDX phenom) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Clark [mailto:res03db2@gte.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:21 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Robert Clark; Don Wilde; Gilbert Gong; j mckitrick; >freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning? > > > >When I mentioned Regan, were you thinking Governor or President? > >(I'm not that old!?) > >Now I'm not going to be able to get the DK songs out of my head. > >"The akin, breakin, Regan years." Oh no, M.O. too. > >[RC] > >On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:16:42PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> The average person barely understands how software works to begin with, >> and has had 40 years of IBM and Microsoft pounding away at how the >> software market is supposed to operate. That's a lot to overcome. >> I think that the Berkely tie probably doesen't even register on the >> radarscope of most people that are in the business. >> >> Consider that the college-aged kid today was born in 1980, nearly >> 2 decades after Berkely's name was a household word during the LSD >> years of the 60's. Your showing your age, Robert. (It makes me feel old >> too!) >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt >tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate >Networker's Guide >> Book website: >http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert Clark >> >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:06 PM >> >To: Don Wilde >> >Cc: Gilbert Gong; Ted Mittelstaedt; j mckitrick; >> >freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Re: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning? >> > >> > >> > >> >Would people have an easier time fitting their minds around the >> >concepts inherent in FreeBSD, if Berkely/UC/California wasn't >> >such a big part of the name. >> > >> >Maybe having lived in CA during the Regan era has something to >> >do with it for me, but BSD makes a mental image as solid as a >> >cinder block, and just about as sexy. >> > >> >Whether that is a good thing, in the face of something as hard >> >to pin down as the meaning of GNU & GPL, is a question no one >> >person could never answer. (?) >> > >> >"Can I use FreeBSD? I thought it was only for the UC schools." >> > >> >"FreeBSD, is that like UCSD Pascal?" >> > >> > >> >[RC] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:14:15AM -0600, Don Wilde wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >A few other points.. >> >> > > >1) I hesitate to defend Bill Gates, but the man has given a >> >lot of money >> >> > to >> >> > > >charity (and I mean a lot, even considering how much he has). >> > As much as >> >> >[snip] >> >> > > lives, it's only when an individual devotes their entire >being to the >> >> > > gift that it truly indicates a striving to touch God in the >individual. >> >> > >> >> Well said, Ted. Regardless of whether one believes the Christian story, >> >> you are talking about the essence of humanity as a common species. >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> > [stuff cut] >> >> > > technology or education into technology. There's a seeding >of future >> >> > > Microsoft sales here that should be obvious. >> >> > >> >> > Hm, didn't notice that ;) >> >> > >> >> Most of Bill Gates' contributions are not cash, they are copies of Doze >> >> and Word. >> >> >> >> There's an earlier example that's applicable. Andrew Carnegie was a >> >> ruthless bastard in his youth, but many people said he had a change of >> >> heart when he started being philanthropic. In actuality, his endowments >> >> of Jesuit teachers' colleges and other educational institutions -- >> >> before there was ANY other alternative -- have done more to create the >> >> modern dependency training factories (aka 'public schools') that we >> >> (Americans) all pay for. He (and J.P.Morgan, Henry Ford, and >> >> Rockefeller, Sr.) realized that they could not build their industrial >> >> empires if they could not guarantee that people would be gullible enough >> >> to buy their products and scared and dependent enough to accept the jobs >> >> and working conditions that they offered. We see now the results of 6 >> >> generations of public schooling, and it's very telling that modern >> >> schools spend more time concerned with nail files, pictures of army men, >> >> and masturbation training than they do with anthropology and economics >> >> and our Constitution. >> >> >> >> Relating this back to advocacy [:-)], there's another educational >> >> example that applies. In 1970, Ed Nagel founded the Santa Fe Community >> >> School here in New Mexico. It's one of what are called 'free schools', >> >> whose philosophy is that kids learn best when they follow their >> >> interests. He has been villified and hounded by the Board of Education >> >> and the NM State establishment for 30 years, including trumped-up >> >> lawsuits, smears, and invasions by jackbooted thugs. >> >> >> >> Here's a comment from him in a recent letter: >> >> >> >> <<I'll bet you're getting awfully tired of fighting this fight over and >> >> over again.>> >> >> Not really: "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." The War is >> >> never over; only the battlefields change (and the troops). >> >> >> >> My point is that here again the right of parents to educate their >> >> children as they see fit is again under fire, this time on a national >> >> level. The Party (As Ted says, there is only one two-headed monster) has >> >> given us an 'education reform' bill that's the worst of both sides' >> >> proposals, and the only thing it will accomplish is to solidify even >> >> further the centralized control of power. >> >> >> >> As believers in the Cause that we the people can create and maintain a >> >> common base of software that is beyond the control of government or >> >> economic power, we must realize that we will constantly be under >> >> assault. "The War is never over..." and the weapons constantly change as >> >> well as the battlefields and troops. Each of us holds the torch of >> >> FreeBSD in our hearts (sorry, getting mushy!), and each has the right to >> >> speak his/her convictions. More than that, we _each_ have the moral >> >> obligation to speak and live our convictions. I'm glad we don't have a >> >> Linus or a Stallman. I'm glad (as well as saddened) that Jordan is >> >> moving on, because he was the one the media were looking to to speak for >> >> us. >> >> >> >> The reality is that FreeBSD is worthy precisely because it is a >> >> collection of many individuals who cooperate to make it happen. The >> >> media can't stand that, because we're not entertaining and that's all >> >> they live for any more. That doesn't make us unworthy. I'm glad >> >> Microsoft is noticing us; they even spelled our name right. FreeBSD is a >> >> lot like the Libertarian Party. Nader and Buchanan got a lot of press, >> >> but Libertarians have more and more people on the ballot every year, and >> >> we're the ones who scare the GOP the most because we are building from a >> >> solid base of committed activists... just like FreeBSD. >> >> >> >> FreeBSD is surviving and growing because it works and because the >> >> project model works. I'm not a core team coder, but I buy CDs and >> >> DaemonNews and I'm using FreeBSD and Apache to build my business to the >> >> point where I can support someone who _is_ a core team coder someday. We >> >> all play our little part, and all of our enlightened self-interests >> >> together move the project forward in the ways that we all benefit the >> >> most. >> >> >> >> That's how life SHOULD be. >> >> -- >> >> Don Wilde http://www.Silver-Lynx.com >> >> Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects >> >> 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 >> >> 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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