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Date:      Sat, 17 Jan 2026 18:56:08 +0000
From:      bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org
To:        pkgbase@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   [Bug 291806] The pkgbase release of 15.0-RELEASE is missing the MINIMAL kernel and several other packages
Message-ID:  <bug-291806-36141-xzIySUU423@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
In-Reply-To: <bug-291806-36141@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>

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--- Comment #21 from Mark Millard <marklmi26-fbsd@yahoo.com> ---
(In reply to Graham Perrin from comment #20)

I may be making distinctions that you are not.

There are concepts of the likes of:

unofficial (such as personal builds)

officially-built-and-distrubted-experiments:
 not normally built by re and is without the re@ release guarantees
 even though distributed via freebsd.org

official-built-and-distributed-re@-supported-releases:
 built by re@ with the freebsd guarantees that go with it
 and referenced in the announcement and release notes
 accessed via  https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for the
 release.

QUOTE of bapt_at_freebsd.org from what you referenced
For releng:
- built it in a end less loop and publish straight each time there was changes
END QUOTE

Well for your interpretation of that vs. mine . . .

https://www.freebsd.org/releng/#team reports:

QUOTE
Primary RE Team (re@FreeBSD.org) :
Dave Cottlehuber <dch@FreeBSD.org>,
Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org>,
Jake Freeland <jfree@FreeBSD.org>,
Xin Li <delphij@FreeBSD.org>,
Ed Maste <emaste@FreeBSD.org>,
Mahdi Mokhtari <mmokhi@FreeBSD.org>,
Colin Percival <cperciva@FreeBSD.org>,
Muhammad Moinur Rahman <bofh@FreeBSD.org>,
Lexi Winter <ivy@FreeBSD.org>
form the primary release engineering decision-making group.
END QUOTE

bapt@ by himself is not re@ and does not speak for
re@ unless explicitly indicated --and the above that
bapt referenced is not what re@ choose to do for its
officially announced first release (15.0). As far as I
can tell, all 14.* pkgbase build have the overall
status:

officially-built-and-distrubted-experiments

(but not built by/for re@). The same is true for the
15.0-STABLE builds that are based on the stable/15
git branch: they have no re@ guarantee status. Using
them is using experimental/developmental software.
But they are officially built and distributed (by
other than re@).

I've been using various officially built experiments for
a long time prior to 15.0. But at no time did I expect
that any 14.* builds that I used, even those based on
a releng/14.* git branch, had an re@ release guarantees
based status, given the lack of
https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ announcement and
release note materials, for example. I never intended
my use of "official" terminology to indicate any re@
related status unless such was also explicitly
referenced.

I prefer to not use personal builds for bug reporting
(when I can). So I tried to report bugs shown via the
officially built experiments instead, avoiding
potential blame of oddities in my personal context.

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