Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:06:08 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@uk.radan.com> To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Europe says yes to spam Message-ID: <37383950.AE14A41D@uk.radan.com> References: <199905111355.IAA15943@hostigos.otherwhen.com>
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Mike Avery wrote:
>
> On 11 May 99, at 10:03, Mark Ovens wrote:
>
> > Greg Lehey wrote:
> > >
> > > Just saw this on the aussie-isp list.
>
> > > > The European Parliament has voted to legalise spam. The European
> > > > Internet Service Providers Association (EuroISPA) campaigned against
> > > > the idea, a UK MEP made a passionate speech to ban junk email and
> > > > nobody spoke in favour of it. Despite this, it was passed 266 votes to
> > > > 137. A clause to ban the harvesting of email addresses from newsgroups
> > > > and web sites was removed before the bill was passed.
>
> > :-(. Mind you, about 90% of the spam I receive comes from the USA so
> > I'm not sure what good it would have done had they voted the other
> > way. Many (most?) of this junk e-mail includes a statement that under some
> > Bill or other it is not classed as spam. Obviously the US legislators use
> > a different definition of spam/junk e-mail to those of us in the real
> > world.
>
> Not really. The law that is referred to hasn't been passed, so it
> isn't a law. At least not yet. Also, the law, if passed, prohibits
> forging addresses and requires that the spam has a *WORKING* opt-
> out mechanism. All the ones I've seen have neither.
>
> Their comment about being in compliance with the law are as
> specious as those made by many anti-spam people who threaten to
> charge spammers service fees. In the end, neither has a firm
> connection to reality.
>
> > There is also another law being proposed by the EU which would make
> > the local caching of Web pages by ISP's effectively illegal (something
> > related to copyright IIRC).
>
> *sigh* We may need to have a "stupid politician" contest.
Nah, there would be too many winners ;-)
> Of course, if we notify the honorees, they might consider
> it a compliment.
>
> However, based on my limited knowledge of copyright laws, I would
> think that if the material provider approved caching of their
> material, it would become a "fair use". As I recall, there is a HTML
> flag that indicates whether a page may be cached. So the furor may
> be a "non-issue". The only big issue here is that copyright laws are
> often enforceable by international treaty.... so some poor net-admin
> on the other side of the planet could be hassled for no good reason.
>
> > > > Net users are required to register with national opt-out lists if they
> > > > do not wish to receive junk email.
>
> If it worked, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
>
Ditto
> Mike
>
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>
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