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Date:      Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:45:19 +0100
From:      lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.at (marino.ladavac@siemens.at)
To:        lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, shimon@simon-shapiro.org
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk
Subject:   Re: SCSI Bus redundancy...
Message-ID:  <199803090845.JAA02668@ws6423.gud.siemens.at>

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> Consifer a small ISP with, say 5,000 accounts which loses power during ruch
> hour.  Can you count the number of support calls?
> Consider a web server with 2,000 virtual servers.  Many used for OLTP, thus
> directly generating revenue.  If I had my business run on such a server, I
> sure would demand it is imunne to power glitches.

OLTP does not exists in Austria (i.e. not over Internet).  The secure browsers
are not available (see ITAR).  The other issue is that the power availability
seems much better here than in the USA--in the last 5 years I have had no
power failures outside one planned (and known two months in advance).  This,
of course has a bearing on the measures taken to live through the failures,
at least for ISP's.

> Wrong again.  Diesel generators have a 15-180 seconds switch over time. 
> You use the diesels to feed the battery chargers.  The battery packs are
> impressive.  If you are in the Portland Oregon area, call me and I'll take
> you to a small switching center. Fascinating to see.

It really depends upon the Diesel backup employed.  The hospital grade backup
I was describing really kicks in within a few seconds (I seem to recollect 
that 5 second is a maximum limit).  They might be an overkill for the telco
people, though (hospital grade power backup deployed around here commonly
consists of an 3-phase AC motor, 3-phase AC generator, a Diesel motor and 
sometimes a smallish DC motor all on the same axle.  Usually only the OP's
and intensive care are backed up this way, and they never receive the outside
power--the power comes always from the generator, and in the case that the
outside power fails the Diesel gets immediately injected with fuel--NB it
spins at all times--and takes over.  The DC motor is intended to help in
the possible gap before the Diesel is capable of rated power--afterwards it
is used to charge batteries.  Now, that is impressive :)  A smallish ISP
will hardly be able to afford it, nor it seems to be necessary around here.

/Marino

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