Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:36:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Sergey <serge69@nym.alias.net> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> Subject: Re: [Q] How stable is FreeBSD 3.X ? Message-ID: <XFMail.990525213625.asmodai@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <19990525062717.30031.qmail@nym.alias.net>
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On 25-May-99 Sergey wrote:
> I've found a lot of problems in PR and archives. They are old dated and
> looking as dead for monthes - no audit trail, no discussion.
Thanks for just pressing Sheldon Hearn into the dirt.
>> If you want to see future releases perform better than the one you're
>> whining about now, I suggest you get busy contributing something more
>> useful than your current load of hot air.
>>
> I'm ready, I want, but I don't understand how!!! I can claim about
> problem, I can reproduce it, I can give you more info.... Even more I
> can start tracing if you give me hints!
Ever heard of basic debugging?
Ye cannot expect a developer to have every ill-damned configuration
availble out there to test it on. YOUR hardware is doing something which
the kernel doesn't like, or vice versa, so debug it at YOUR site. After you
have done some basic ddb'ing, gdb'ing, tracing, trussing, etc, then bother
developers for more information. It may sound hard, but in these last 8-12
months I really understand what the -current developers where telling me in
the first place.
> *** But how can I do something if YOU just ignore issue ??? ***
By reading up on debugging obviously. Saying that you aren't a developer is
no excuse to just shove the responsibility towards the developers. Heck, if
their box works, should they even care about _your_ box? In theory they
wouldn't have to, in reality they do. Mike, Jordan, Doug (both of them ;),
W. Gerald, John, Eivind, David, etc etc all helped me a lot with my
endeavours on CURRENT and what-not. And by their encouragements I also got
more involved in the total process which reflects back into better reports
on my side.
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Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project
Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>;
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