Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 20:27:41 -0800 From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> To: David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox 7.0, FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-amd64, ZFS, and bootpool Message-ID: <CAN6yY1uhE8QWei1LfoM6uuSECaRyEvEGso__pcKCkYxHmQOLfw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <65aac66f-0d06-4668-9632-9a6701047a84@holgerdanske.com> References: <b390469a-d68d-491b-8373-a2258dc238b0@holgerdanske.com> <d87ba7dd-bbb4-467a-8ec7-ed6edde6cd81@alexburke.ca> <65aac66f-0d06-4668-9632-9a6701047a84@holgerdanske.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 3:11 PM David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 12/31/23 00:34, Alexander Burke wrote: > > Dec 31, 2023 04:36:42 David Christensen wrote: > >> freebsd-questions: > >> > >> If I use VirtualBox 7.0 (on Debian 11.8 amd64) to create a > FreeBSD-12.4-RELEASE-amd64 virtual machine with BIOS (MBR), ZFS boot, > encrypted swap, and encrypted ZFS root, the boot pool is not imported > automatically when the system boots: > >> > >> root@geneweb:~ # freebsd-version ; uname -a > >> 12.4-RELEASE-p9 > >> FreeBSD geneweb 12.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC amd64 > >> > >> root@geneweb:~ # zpool import > >> pool: bootpool > >> id: 16038363864467226171 > >> state: ONLINE > >> action: The pool can be imported using its name or numeric > identifier. > >> config: > >> > >> bootpool ONLINE > >> ada0s1a ONLINE > >> > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> > >> I have seen the defect since FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64. I do not know > if it was present earlier. > >> > >> > >> How do I arrange for bootpool to be imported automatically at boot? > > > > FreeBSD 11 is deprecated and out of support. Have you tried with a > > newer version? Quite a few changes to ZFS have happened since then, > > including the switch to OpenZFS. > > > Regarding FreeBSD versions, please re-read my post (above). > > > Regarding FreeBSD ZFS changes, I am reminded of the recent OpenZFS data > destruction bug. And, I recall issues when I evaluated FreeBSD 13/ > OpenZFS in the past. I am not inclined to trust my data to OpenZFS > unless and until I see improvements in their processes, validation of > their processes and code by reputable entities, and no defects > discovered for "long enough". This means FreeBSD 13 is not an option > for me at this time. > > > But the major problem is that FreeBSD EoL'd 12.4R today: > > https://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup > > > I am screwed. > > > I think the 12.xR line should have continued until OpenZFS is proven and > until the FreeBSD 12->13 upgrade boot loader OpenZFS bug is fixed. > It's not like zfs is mandatory. I run FreeBSD 15-CURRENT on my system with UFS and no boot issues. No requirement for ZFS. The installer gives you the option of either file system. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 3:11 PM David Christensen <<a href="mailto:dpchrist@holgerdanske.com">dpchrist@holgerdanske.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/31/23 00:34, Alexander Burke wrote:<br> > Dec 31, 2023 04:36:42 David Christensen wrote:<br> >> freebsd-questions:<br> >><br> >> If I use VirtualBox 7.0 (on Debian 11.8 amd64) to create a FreeBSD-12.4-RELEASE-amd64 virtual machine with BIOS (MBR), ZFS boot, encrypted swap, and encrypted ZFS root, the boot pool is not imported automatically when the system boots:<br> >><br> >> root@geneweb:~ # freebsd-version ; uname -a<br> >> 12.4-RELEASE-p9<br> >> FreeBSD geneweb 12.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC amd64<br> >><br> >> root@geneweb:~ # zpool import<br> >> pool: bootpool<br> >> id: 16038363864467226171<br> >> state: ONLINE<br> >> action: The pool can be imported using its name or numeric identifier.<br> >> config:<br> >><br> >> bootpool ONLINE<br> >> ada0s1a ONLINE<br> >><br> >><br> >> Why?<br> >><br> >><br> >> I have seen the defect since FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64. I do not know if it was present earlier.<br> >><br> >><br> >> How do I arrange for bootpool to be imported automatically at boot?<br> <br> <br> > FreeBSD 11 is deprecated and out of support. Have you tried with a<br> > newer version? Quite a few changes to ZFS have happened since then,<br> > including the switch to OpenZFS.<br> <br> <br> Regarding FreeBSD versions, please re-read my post (above).<br> <br> <br> Regarding FreeBSD ZFS changes, I am reminded of the recent OpenZFS data <br> destruction bug. And, I recall issues when I evaluated FreeBSD 13/ <br> OpenZFS in the past. I am not inclined to trust my data to OpenZFS <br> unless and until I see improvements in their processes, validation of <br> their processes and code by reputable entities, and no defects <br> discovered for "long enough". This means FreeBSD 13 is not an option <br> for me at this time.<br> <br> <br> But the major problem is that FreeBSD EoL'd 12.4R today:<br> <br> <a href="https://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup</a><br>; <br> <br> I am screwed.<br> <br> <br> I think the 12.xR line should have continued until OpenZFS is proven and <br> until the FreeBSD 12->13 upgrade boot loader OpenZFS bug is fixed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">It's not like zfs is mandatory. I run FreeBSD 15-CURRENT on my system with UFS and no boot issues. No requirement for ZFS. The installer gives you the option of either file system.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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