Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:22:21 -0700 (MST) From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> To: wghhicks@ix.netcom.com Cc: Ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD slogan/advert ideas Message-ID: <199710311722.KAA24614@rocky.mt.sri.com> In-Reply-To: <3459DEEB.DBA0B1FE@ix.netcom.com> References: <199710302257.QAA15890@Mercury.mcs.net> <199710310108.LAA00321@word.smith.net.au> <19971031122915.60452@lemis.com> <3459ED5A.9FF16E75@cam.grad.ipri.kiev.ua> <3459DEEB.DBA0B1FE@ix.netcom.com>
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[ As long as it's in -chat ] > > 1. bad java support > > 1. biss-awt won't work (on 2.2-stable) > > 2. port of latest jdk from sun is absent. > > Java is another infantile disorder (see Dijkstra). Have you done anything significant (or petty for that matter) in Java? If not, you're speaking out of ignorance. > It's also from Sun. So are many of the ideas in 4.4BSD, as well as some code. Your point being? > For the first time in history, the entire computing industry is > preparing to embrace a proprietary, unstandardized, unverifiable, > incomplete language. Blech. How do you figure? The entire specifications for the language are (essentially) in the public domain. *Anyone* can implement their own version of it, they just can't call it 'Java' w/out Sun's blessing. (Cygnus is in the process of doing their own version of it.) > If Sun chose to make the regression test suites public (they aren't), > then perhaps the library support would be better for all platforms, not > just FreeBSD. Library support != language. Also, I don't see any regression tests for libc anywhere, yet is seems to be pretty standard on *every* platfrom I've used it on. The problem isn't in their 'library', it's in their Windowing Toolkit, which I consider bigger than their library. The Swing stuff should make this less of a point, since instead of relying on most of the the native OS to support features, they are no only relying on the most basic stuff (at a cost in speed unfortunately, but process doesn't come for free.) > Have you ever seen the Java source distribution? Licensing terms? Yes, and yes. Pretty sane IMHO. I'm only bound for a little while, and I have full access to the all of Sun's 'patents' so that I can't get into trouble for implementing anything. If I had infinite time (or could convince Jeff to take my $$) we would have a JDK for FreeBSD *today*, but neither option is available. :) Nate
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