Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 19:46:53 -0700 From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Where did the nvd devices go? Message-ID: <CAN6yY1tgZ7d_Cxt2GKEr7rn8tsOq2PHU_sZU=iOOc=gQS5eAcg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfr6BN6S5TKcCuifq-RSNpnRfaf-Zf_Y%2BMXwxF96N3CcJQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAN6yY1s-8T4yoafCy6sPTgqw6ndMYv7hj%2BHU-fcO2QhnhUCRWQ@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfr6BN6S5TKcCuifq-RSNpnRfaf-Zf_Y%2BMXwxF96N3CcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 5:52 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2023, 6:22 PM Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, they are still around, but not functional. They are symlinks to nda >> devices, but the symlinks don't work well. >> > > They work for filesystem access. > Not too surprised, but I didn't try it. Should have looked more closely before sending it. > > I have no idea when the symlink of nvd to nda happened, but after updating >> my system to main-n263630-ab3e6234ab6e, at least geom related commands no >> longer function using nvd0p?. I hit this when trying to use gpart and geli. >> gpart claims "gpart: No such geom: /dev/nvd0." geli responds (after >> entering a passphrase) "geli: Provider not found: "/dev/nvd0p7"My previous >> system version was main-n262908-c16e08e5f324. >> > > These will work with nda. They should likely work with the nvd aliases, > but don't it seems (though you don't need the /dev/ for geom commands). > > Was this just a failure of muscle memory, or was there persistent config > that failed? > Yes, I had confirmed that nda worked and I know that /dev is not required for geom commands, but I've never bothered to test whether gpt/label worked and I tend to use labels. > > Was this intentional? If so, why was this change made? If not, could it >> be fixed? Since I usually use geli with the /dev/gpt devices, I didn't >> notice it right away, but it could certainly surprise many users. >> > Commands used were "gpart show nvd0" and "geli attach -d -k ************ /dev/nvd0p7". Also tried both with and without the "/dev" which fail for nvd* and succeed with nda*. All these questions are answered in the UPDATING entry from when I switched > the default: > I should have checked UPDATING. -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 5:52 PM Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 21, 2023, 6:22 PM Kevin Oberman <<a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Well, they are still around, but not functional. They are symlinks to nda devices, but the symlinks don't work well.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">They work for filesystem access.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Not too surprised, but I didn't try it. Should have looked more closely before sending it.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have no idea when the symlink of nvd to nda happened, but after updating my system to main-n263630-ab3e6234ab6e, at least geom related commands no longer function using nvd0p?. I hit this when trying to use gpart and geli. gpart claims "gpart: No such geom: /dev/nvd0." geli responds (after entering a passphrase) "geli: Provider not found: "/dev/nvd0p7"My previous system version was main-n262908-c16e08e5f324.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These will work with nda. They should likely work with the nvd aliases, but don't it seems (though you don't need the /dev/ for geom commands).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Was this just a failure of muscle memory, or was there persistent config that failed?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Yes, I had confirmed that nda worked and I know that /dev is not required for geom commands, but I've never bothered to test whether gpt/label worked and I tend to use labels.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Was this intentional? If so, why was this change made? If not, could it be fixed? Since I usually use geli with the /dev/gpt devices, I didn't notice it right away, but it could certainly surprise many users.<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Commands used were "gpart show nvd0" and "geli attach -d -k ************ /dev/nvd0p7". Also tried both with and without the "/dev" which fail for nvd* and succeed with nda*.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">All these questions are answered in the UPDATING entry from when I switched the default:</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I s</span>hould have checked UPDATING.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"></span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"></span><br><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>help
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