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Date:      Wed, 28 May 2003 15:28:52 -0700
From:      "Crist J. Clark" <crist.clark@attbi.com>
To:        Barney Wolff <barney@databus.com>
Cc:        freebsd-net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ipfw rules vs routes to localhost?
Message-ID:  <20030528222852.GD3907@blossom.cjclark.org>
In-Reply-To: <20030528214046.GA9084@pit.databus.com>
References:  <20030528045154.GA95572@mail.it.ca> <20030528210359.GA3907@blossom.cjclark.org> <20030528214046.GA9084@pit.databus.com>

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On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 05:40:46PM -0400, Barney Wolff wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 02:03:59PM -0700, Crist J. Clark wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 12:51:54AM -0400, Paul Chvostek wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm considering:
> > > 
> > >   ipfw add N deny ip from a.b.c.d to any
> > > 
> > > vs.
> > > 
> > >   route add -host a.b.c.d localhost
> > > 
> > > I need to block traffic to a number of IP addresses.  I thought I'd use
> > > ipfw to avoid things like UDP DNS lookups that might come in ant take up
> > > resources while my system tried to respond, but it's been suggested on
> > > another list that setting routes to localhost will use less resources.
> > > Ideally, I'd like to be able to block a few tens of thousands of IPs.
> > > 
> > > What's the scoop?
> > 
> > Someone is assumng the old rule for blocking traffic on a (Cisco)
> > router applies to the FreeBSD stack. It doesn't necessarily apply.
> > 
> > First off, blocking it in ipfw rules is obviously more efficient if
> > you are running ipfw(8) already.
> 
> Can ipfw really handle "tens of thousands" of rules efficiently?

If we're talking about tens of thousands of hosts sparsely distributed
through IP-space, I don't think either approach is very practical.

> If I had to do this inbound, I'd look at netgraph as a way to put
> custom code in the kernel that looks up the source IP addr in a
> hash table.

Writing something that uses pfil(9) might also be a lightweight way to
do this.
-- 
Crist J. Clark                     |     cjclark@alum.mit.edu
                                   |     cjclark@jhu.edu
http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/    |     cjc@freebsd.org



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