Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:33:55 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: Chris <portmaster@bsdforge.com> Cc: Guido Falsi <madpilot@freebsd.org>, Gareth de Vaux <ports@lordcow.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dns/bind916 builds rust unexpectedly Message-ID: <20230926073355.a3fc4bbc3595fd08e1080470@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <c9424337851850d8236f700b84705559@bsdforge.com> References: <ZRGiDj-esOAc9K_Z@lordcow.org> <1e05be67-cb15-964e-c78b-e74e714257a9@FreeBSD.org> <ZRHIblhvGl2IY_2D@lordcow.org> <343f2abb-6a3e-0193-f4bc-5db69c8021f5@FreeBSD.org> <e724f4c2-ef93-27f4-515c-3cb5bdf3b162@FreeBSD.org> <c9424337851850d8236f700b84705559@bsdforge.com>
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:03:24 -0700 Chris <portmaster@bsdforge.com> wrote: > On 2023-09-25 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote: > > On 25/09/23 20:33, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> On 25/09/23 19:50, Gareth de Vaux wrote: > >>> On Mon 2023-09-25 (17:38), Guido Falsi wrote: > >>>> This one, which calls in py-cryptography which requires rust. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>>> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world > >>>> software is now almost universally build using CI systems and buildboxes, > >>>> people use binary packages almost all the time in linux. Developers don't > >>>> care to keep low overhead in their builds and with dependency. The ports > >>>> tree cannot mitigate this external pressure. > >>> > >>> Understood. Though the situation you point out has been around for decades > >>> and this is the first time I've encountered such a chaotic result. > >>> > > > > Anyway, in this specific case, simply be ready to see rust being requested > > as a > > build dependency of more and more software. > > > > Not that I approve, or disapprove, for that matter, of it, but this is the > > direction we're headed to. > > Couldn't one overcome this problem by using an antioxidant, or even a rust > remover? ;-) > Sorry. Couldn't resist. The largest pain about rust for me is that all dependencies (including BUILD_DEPEND'ed ones) are bumped when rust is updated. It's maybe because of (forcibly) statically linked object, like crt.o in C, is incorporated. If it's true, splitting them into individual port would decrease the needs to bump dependencies, to only when the source for those objects are modified and/or changes in such as code generator makes the resulting objects backwward incompatible way. > >> One can drive a car without using seat belts for years without any injury > >> [1], dies this mean seat belts are unnecessary? > >> > >> [1] if he is lucky enough to never cause or be involved (without any blame) > >> in a crash, even minor one. -- Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
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