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Date:      Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:56:14 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Brian Adkins <brian@lojic.com>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux 
Message-ID:  <199903232156.OAA15937@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net>
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> >> I would personally like to get to the point where folks who want Java and a
> >> free OS go to FreeBSD *first*.
> >
> >While I think this is a laudable goal, the lack of a solid JIT means
> >that FreeBSD will lack behind the other OS's (notably the M$ version) in
> >performance.
> 
> So what do we have to do to get a solid JIT?  Is it a matter of developer
> time, or are there other issues involved?

Mostly resources, which involve more than time, but involve expertise.
Similar to the thread running in -hackers, you need someone with time,
expertise, and desire to work on the problem.  Unfortunately, I have
very little of all of them. :) 

> If we could compete with
> Microsoft's and Sun's Java performance/reliability, I would probably become
> the #1 FreeBSD evangelist in a short time :)  I mean, I love it as it is,
> but if it had a Java as least as good as Windows NT, I'd be ecstatic!

So would I. :) :)

> >> Other commercial OS companies are seriously
> >> lacking here, I think SCO only has a 1.1.3 JDK, whereas, FreeBSD already
> >> has a 1.1.7.
> >
> >And soon to have an ELF version.  I've spent the last few days working
> >on it, and I hope to have the ELF version of JDK1 out by next week
> >sometime.
> >
> >Then, it's onto JDK2. :)
> 
> Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT?  Will we get that with
> the port?

The Linux folks have someone been able to integrate it, but I don't know
how.  Hopefully their patches will shed some light into that, but the
JIT apparently only works with green threads and not native threads.


Nate


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