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Date:      Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:12:52 -0700
From:      Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>
To:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Alexander Chernikov <melifaro@freebsd.org>, "Danilo G. Baio" <dbaio@freebsd.org>,  dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: git: 2c24ad3377a6 - main - ifconfig: abort if loading a module fails other than for ENOENT
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:49 AM Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:04:33AM +0000, Alexander Chernikov wrote:
> A> I think another question is that if if should be done by ifconfig(8) a=
t all. Kernel can take care of trying to load the required modules, checkin=
g the privileges.
> A> I=E2=80=99m considering adding such code for the netlink-based interfa=
ce creation.
>
> This is already done in netgraph, but I won't call this solution a
> pretty one. You ask kernel to do some network related ioctl(2), but
> it actually does kldload(2).
>
> At what stage of the syscall we understand that kldload(2) needs to
> be done? Are we free of network locks at this stage? Cause kldload
> will take a very different set of locks, possibly creating a LOR,
> and in an edge case will go into NFS taking network locks.
>
> --
> Gleb Smirnoff

ifconfig tries to load a KLD preemptively, long before it does the
hard work (cloning an interface or something).  Trying to teach the
kernel to load the module on-demand would be hard, we would probably
have to do it in many different places.



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