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Date:      Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:40:26 +1000
From:      Stanley Hopcroft <Stanley.Hopcroft@IPAustralia.gov.au>
To:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Security Announcements?
Message-ID:  <20010411094026.B80253@IPAustralia.Gov.AU>
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.010410154347.nmh@daemontech.com>; from nmh@daemontech.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 03:43:47PM -0700
References:  <20010410215014.A8173@scientia.demon.co.uk> <XFMail.010410154347.nmh@daemontech.com>

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am writing to endorse Ms Harringtons remarks (vi) and ask that her
requests be treated seriously.

They are mine too, and I don't think unrealistic for a working joe who
is neither an ace - even an average - programmer or network
technologist.

I use FreeBSD because it is easy to use compared to other things (NT, 
OS/2, AIX, probably Solaris) and safe.

If it is no longer safe, and I have to take hours to install a port - 
because I am slow and stupid - then the attractiveness is reduced. 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 03:43:47PM -0700, Nicole Harrington wrote:

> 
>  As someone who runs many production level servers here is what I would want
>  In order:
> 
>  1) A notice that there is problem - So I can tcpwrap or shutdown said service
> until a patch is available.
> 
>  2) A binary patch.  Similiar to the Linux RPM.s  and the BSDi patches.
>   Just download and run. No compiles no installs.
> 
>  3) A patch that everyone agrees works in an email or other notification that
> says, here's were you can get the patch, this works, here's what to do with
> it. 
>  From my perspective it took days for people to stop discussing what patch
> was best for ntpd and I still never heard a full resolution on the mailing
> list. No official blessing of a patch other than what I would get via CVSUP.  I
> have production servers, I can't run a CVsup everyday, let alone a make world. 
>

Here here. I have shut down ntpd. I can't determine from the debate 
about the ntp patch what I should use. There is no SA ....
 
> 
>  Yes I may have missed a few mails or something. But expecting people to spend
> their days tracking down patches and notices abt problems kinda negates the
> whole idea of a security mailing and notification.

Yes.

>  The process seemed much better in the past, but lately, it has been much less
> than optimal.
> 

Can't say. Although I miss Mr Kenneways letters (and Mr Losh for that 
matter).

>
>   Nicole
> 
> 
> 

Thank you,

Yours sincerely.

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