Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:16:21 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com>, Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee>, Dann Lunsford <dann@greycat.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD : Linux) :: (OS/2 : Windows))) Message-ID: <20000707211621.C35215@daemon.ninth-circle.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000707003817.04760d40@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 12:40:44AM -0600 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000706225433.0475b4d0@localhost> <Your <4.3.2.7.2.20000706193313.04a8ca40@localhost> <54201.962945434@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000706225433.0475b4d0@localhost> <20000707082704.Z35215@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20000707003817.04760d40@localhost>
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-On [20000707 12:00], Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) wrote: >At 12:27 AM 7/7/2000, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >>Having spoken a few times with Jordan on the PR side of things and also >>on the larger aspects of the Project I can only say Brett that you >>absolutely have an image of Jordan in your mind which is contrary to the >>person I know and met (and others as well). >>Jordan really is working on macro level, and not on micro level. > >Well, as far getting native ports of applications, emulating Linux has >been a macro-level mistake! We are not emulating Linux. We are merely mapping the Linux syscalls to appropriate BSD ones. Please use the correct terms for that, since this is essential to the debate you wish to carry. >If this is the sort of "thinking on the macro level" you are talking >about, I hope you will agree that there is a problem here. With the help of the linuxulator we got it easier to ride the hype which Linux created. Now that the hype is reaching its momentum it becomes obvious that FreeBSD/BSDi is being a major player in the whole ballgame as well. Have you looked around recently? There's more and more mention and support for the FreeBSD cause (and indirectly for OpenBSD and NetBSD). Oracle is working on a native port of their DBMS, Highpoint Tech is kind enough to place a FreeBSD banner on their frontpage of their site. Our userbase continues to flourish. BSD events, such as my local NLFUG meetings, continue to amass more and more likeminded and curious individuals. These are but mere aspects and effects of things which Jordan started on some level, and normal people like myself and many others continues on a smaller scale. We are here, we are demanding our portion of the marketshare, there's no denying us. Now tell me again, how did the linuxulator hurt us again? Companies will always work according to the demand/supply principle, so the userbase needs to, politely, ask Opera to release a _native_ port. We pulled this off with Oracle (IIRC) and we also amassed tons of votes for a native JDK and for more products, and we got them and/or are getting them. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>; I think, therefore I am... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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