Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:17:28 -0800 From: David King <dking@ketralnis.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 Message-ID: <552A7F27-4B6A-4AEC-BDE4-4E98EA65D89D@ketralnis.com> In-Reply-To: <4761C621.60909@csub.edu> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> <1481.163.178.104.130.1197385733.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <200712111701.lBBH1LKH004886@fire.js.berklix.net> <200712111818.LAA17407@lariat.net> <475F1214.5020601@csub.edu> <47609DDC.1080809@chuckr.org> <8c50a3c30712121930h253f7d76tb96f7b7e979697c0@mail.gmail.com> <53e3a9930712122035i74062c56k92d3e4f3883644cc@mail.gmail.com> <8c50a3c30712122120i56321cc6qb7d6f45ad4c8c952@mail.gmail.com> <4761B7B8.7000809@chuckr.org> <4761C621.60909@csub.edu>
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Do you honestly think that you're going to convince each other of anything? Can you at least move it off-list please? On 13 Dec 2007, at 15:54, Russell Jackson wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: >> Marc Spitzer wrote: >>> On Dec 12, 2007 11:35 PM, Tom Wickline <twickline@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Dec 12, 2007 10:30 PM, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> One of the interesting things about socialism, in all in many evil >>>>> forms(including gnu/fsf), is that they simply must lie about their >>>>> program or no one of average intelligence would be stupid enough >>>>> to >>>>> sign up for it. It just goes to show you that without G_d >>>>> religion >>>>> gets much much worse. >>>>> >>>>> marc >>>>> >>>> That one gave me a chuckle :D >>>> >>>> Your just pissed because GPL makes people give back there >>>> changes! And >>>> from the way it looks you and a couple others >>>> here are mad because you cant go use others work and not have to >>>> contribute. You want the freedom to rob, steal pillage others >>>> hard work for your own good... And now you call this socialism >>>> because >>>> you cant do it? >>>> >> >> This sort of idea is entirely common among the folks who push GPL. >> They >> assign their encumbrances to their licenses, THEN they claim (just to >> take the attention off the fact that their license, alone, has those >> encumbrances) that are "mad because you cant go use others >> work" (that's >> your quote, sir, look above if you disagree). The BSD license, in >> fact, > > Seems like you left off the more important part of the quote, "... > and not have to > contribute." That is to say that you're free to do what you will > with the code as long as > you redistribute your changes. It's a simple requirement. Tat for tat. > > Stallman believes, rightly, that the freedom of the user is > ultimately preserved through > the freedom of the code; hence, there are restrictions on > redistribution in order to > guarantee the former. His writings are quite clear on this point. > Nobody is lying; you are > just willfully refusing to understand. > >> DOES allow any user to use the code in any damn way they please, >> all it >> means is that folks lose the ability to force anyone else to also >> public >> their work. That's the reason that a huge portion of the commercial >> world is actually direclty violating the GPL, and just relying on the >> fact that no one has the dollars to go after them (thank god). BSD >> licensed code allows anyone, anywhere, to do whatever they like with >> their work, unlike GPL, which is as directly communist/socialist as >> the >> definition allows. >> >> The GPLeres always shift attention away from that fact. Just like >> you >> did above. What about the fact that the BSD license is about 15 >> lines >> long, while the GPL license is one of the most evilly legalistically >> worded documents I;'ve ever seen ... worst that the worst emplyment >> document I have ever been asked to sign. Of course, you're just >> going >> to ignore that. >> >>> No I am not, the gpl is a thing and I save my spleen for people. >>> The >>> thing that pisses me off is that the FSF and their minions >>> deliberately and knowingly lie about what the terms and conditions >>> are >>> on the license they falsely call free. Face it when you redefine >>> common words in the English language to mean something that is found >>> in no dictionary or daily use and in point of fact contradicts at >>> least one of the main uses of the word, ie meaning with out cost or >>> encumbrance, you are willingly lieing through your fucking teeth and >>> you know it. >>> >>> I am not compelled to do do anything as I avoid the entire family of >>> gnu licenses except as an end user, so they get nothing and I can >>> still use their software <hahaha> >>> >>> umm this is s freebsd list and freebsd has done quite well by having >>> faith in the inherent decency of people in general, netgraph and >>> BASM >>> come to mind. Further more oh yea of little history unix, and >>> linux, >>> would not have grown to the degree it did if the berkley code was >>> gpled, OS/Kernel features were competitive advantage back then, >>> because I could not keep the code closed and it would have >>> conflicted >>> with ATT's license as well. >>> >>>> hahahaha.... What a crock of shit! >>> stop projecting. >>> >>> marc >>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > Russell A. Jackson <raj@csub.edu> > Network Analyst > California State University, Bakersfield > > OPTIMIST: > Someone who goes down to the marriage > bureau to see if his license has expired.home | help
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