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Date:      Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:16:10 +1000
From:      Jim Mock <jim@blues.ghis.net>
To:        advocacy@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   followup: advocacy.freebsd.org (fwd)
Message-ID:  <19990806121610.A13888@blues.ghis.net>

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Rob's asked me to forward this on to the list.  He seems to be having
some trouble with getting mail through to certain places.

- Jim

--- Forwarded message from eagle@phc.igs.net ---

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:52:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: eagle@phc.igs.net
Subject: followup: advocacy.freebsd.org
To: advocacy@freebsd.org
cc: jim@blues.ghis.net

In response to the discussion on advocacy about the advocacy site, I 
felt it neccessary to bring up several points.

1. There where many requests for help with the site.

	I sent *Many* emails to the advo list requesting help, there
	were also requests for help on the site itself.
	
2. The issue about bringing the site into the tree.

	Bill F, and I discussed this to death, Bill sent a email to
	core, offering to be mentor to Jim Mock and myself.  The
	result of his e-mail was it was denied by core.  I then asked
	Jordan about running a seperate cvsupd to provide access to
	the tree.  This request was also denied.  The reason being,
	that Jordan didn't want a bunch of new committers on freefall
	or the advocacy box.
	
3. Nik brought up the issue of tools used by the advocacy project.

	Everything was done with the issues that Nik brought up in 
	mind.  The source of the advocacy site was written in SGML and
	converted to HTML through make.
	
4. The reason for the database concept, is not obvious from the
   present implementation of the site.

	The goal that we where working towards, was a dynamic site, 
	generating static pages.  One proof of concept is /.
	
5. There where several reasons why the content went stale.

	1. We didn't want to make a lot of changes to the cvs tree on 
	   the advo box if it was going to be moved to freefall.
	   
	2. The last update we where working on was dependant on work 
	   being done by as usual in the advocacy sites limited 
	   lifetime 1 person. He switched Jobs while working on it,
	   and just didn't have time to finish it.. btw Thanks Tommy
	   for your efforts in helping with this.
	   
	3. What volunteers we did manage to recruit, for the most
	   part didn't contribute.
	
	4. I firmly believe the lack of a central repository. was the
	   final nail in this projects coffin.
	
I want to thank those that did work on this project with me for there 
efforts, The List is short and they all ready know who they are. I
would also like to thank JKH for his input and Bill Fumerola for 
attempting to bring about the one thing that I believe would of saved
this project.

I would also like to apolagize for the lack of time that I have been 
able to dedicate to the advo site in the last several months, I'm not
going to explain why, as those who where involved in the site already
know.

Robert E. Garrett

--- End forwarded message ---

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