Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow <gordont@gnf.org> To: Jim Bryant <kc5vdj@yahoo.com> Cc: Joseph Mallett <jmallett@NewGold.NET>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, Jason Vervlied <jvervlied@hway.net>, <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: bash in /usr/local/bin? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108121642440.6349-100000@smtp.gnf.org> In-Reply-To: <3B76FD51.40805@yahoo.com>
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As a preface to this whole thing, I find it higly amusing that you are sending this mail from a Linux box. Of course, for that matter, so am I. (I'm planning on changing that soon.) On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't > understand the dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as > DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC. > > If it's not in the base setup, on a production box, you can't use it. > Everything must be kept in it's ORIGINAL install location, otherwise > you MUST justify it and ask DISA/DECC for a waiver, which in itself, > is a pain in the ass, and in many cases, not likely to happen due to > dinosaur mentality. You said it yourself. They are a dinosaur. Why should be drag ourselves back to the paleolithic and cater to a very specific problem in our base tree? bash is a nice shell. I use it as my normal shell, but when I drop to single user mode, I *always* end up using /bin/sh. I'm not a fan of csh (tcsh isn't bad though) and I only write shell scripts in /bin/sh. Besides, how often do you need to drop to single user mode and *really* need bash? > I now refer you to the recent news concerning the TrustedBSD project. > > FreeBSD is getting military contracts now. We need to think ahead to > the needs of a whole new class of admin and user, and they are in > highly restrictive environments that preclude `mv /usr/local/bin/*sh > /bin`. And those people that are working there are probably programming in COBOL and Fortran. > I'm sure there are equally restrictive environments for computers and > operating systems in *EVERY* country, but I speak from my personal > experience with the dinosaurs at DOD. At DOD, *EVERY* copy of FreeBSD > will be subject to what I am saying. In the Sun environment in which > I did my last DOD contract at, if tcsh wasn't in /bin, I wouldn't have > been able to use it. That's how backwards they are. > > In answer to your statement, some admins can be fired, even arrested > and brought up on charges for doing what you suggest. I'm certain > that this happens in countries other than America as well. Again, this is a problem for you and the DOD to sort out. It should be of no concern to the project. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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