Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:12:02 +0100 From: Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> To: freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base Message-ID: <99EFA66E-75A6-4E13-BDD0-9A65F0042DAA@ultra-secure.de> In-Reply-To: <m2pqg37vu4.wl%randy@psg.com> References: <CADe0-4kEJsj5pe6h4ZVPGg-hFEjE7oC4Ya8VO7sdW9W3WZiajg@mail.gmail.com> <20111202115446.GB25963@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <CADe0-4=8z%2BpFAem83xMkYXYZCgCt9r_tX64he5Vx95OkAJqtFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmonQQ-yHrDox35gpuaXXYV5j%2BUXOJH5jr93m3j=uBgbkWA@mail.gmail.com> <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <4EDABDE8.9060406@FreeBSD.org> <CAJ-VmokcdtPpz5a=Apy0OCTxmYHH9ELpVmYy%2BiurnTujUyyu3w@mail.gmail.com> <4EDBD5EF.9070207@freebsd.org> <4EDBE4A3.6010602@FreeBSD.org> <CAN6yY1ua0de1LLuqU-RZj341i520Ne2ZvYeeeSofzaD_mYAeow@mail.gmail.com> <m2pqg37vu4.wl%randy@psg.com>
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Am 05.12.2011 um 00:36 schrieb Randy Bush: >> This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil >> is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and >> arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure >> and what things currently NOT in the base should be promoted. >=20 > as one with a long list of WITHOUT_foo=3DYES in /etc/src.conf, this is > tempting. but, as you hint, is this not just doubling the number of > borders over which we can argue? >=20 > but let's get concrete here. >=20 > i suspect that my install pattern is similar to others [....] > and then do whatever is special for this particular system. >=20 > anything which would lessen/simplify the above would be much > appreciated. anything not totally obiously wonderful which would > increase/complicate the above would not be appreciated. Most of that stuff should be solved by a configuration-management system = - or (partly) by an automated installation. BTW: Does anybody have a link to some documentation how that = (PXE-install etc.) is supposed to be done in 9.0? Personally, I don't think cvs should be removed any time soon: - it's AFAIK stable, doesn't change a lot - doesn't introduce vulnerabilities every other month - will be needed for some time for historic reasons BIND OTOH is something different. But even on the couple of servers we = actually use BIND, we like to have a version that is supported over the = lifetime of the FreeBSD system it's installed on. As has been said, FreeBSD (as of 8.2 - haven't had the chance to look = into 9.0 a lot) is a nice system with a lot of functionality without = installing lot's of packages. Just FYI: we use rubygem-chef for configuration-management, but we don't = think it would be a good idea to have ruby in the base-system, even = though we need it on every system anyway...
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