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Date:      Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:38:09 -0600 (CST)
From:      Jason Young <doogie@forbidden-donut.anet-stl.com>
To:        John Kelly <jak@cetlink.net>
Cc:        Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Someone needs to re-develop "Softupdates"
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980308202430.14284B-100000@forbidden-donut.anet-stl.com>
In-Reply-To: <35034f2e.134015736@mail.cetlink.net>

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, John Kelly wrote:

> It's amazing how some of the same people who decry commercializing
> FreeBSD with donor control of funding have no objection to Kirk's
> commercial hooks.

What are you talking about?

There's a difference between commercializing FreeBSD, Inc. and a third
party developing proprietary code and redistributing it for profit. Do you
object to anyone and everyone developing commercial code for FreeBSD?

This aside, I don't see anything in the license for Softupdates about the
commercial stuff either even though I have read the references on Julian's
webpage about it. I would like to use this in my commercial ISP
environment and have mailed Kirk asking for clarification. 

> Score 1 for the GPL.

Is this a troll or your actual opinion? 

If Kirk has in any way used FreeBSD or any BSD licensed code in this, then
he can still develop and market Softupdates as he wishes, and I would
fight for his ability to do it.

If FreeBSD was under the GPL and Kirk used one line of FreeBSD code, he
would not have the option to sell his code. Since Kirk, according to the
explanations I read, would like to get paid for this code when used
commercially (read: eat, sleep indoors, have net access, etc) he would
probably develop for an operating system that allowed him to do so.

I should probably know better than to get involved in a BSD - GPL
licensing debate but that above statement "Score 1 for the GPL" was just
too dumb to leave unanswered, I'm sorry. The fact that there's some
obvious mixups and misunderstandings in licensing for this which I'm
trying to resolve for myself (and will post if anyone's interested) does
not reflect in any way on either the BSD or GPL licensing scheme. 

Jason Young
ANET Chief Network Engineer

"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers
on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three." 



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