Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:00:56 -0500 From: Jacob Suter <jsuter@linus.intrastar.net> To: Ulf Zimmermann <ulf@Alameda.net> Cc: Stephen Roome <steve@visint.co.uk>, shovey@buffnet.net, danf@JadeTech.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? Message-ID: <33C52358.ABB9E08F@linus.intrastar.net> References: <199707091731.KAA12155@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net>
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ISP Price for a Livingston OR-HS (T1/E1 capable office router, unlimited IP's, doesn't do BGP4 but everything else including OSPF) for $649 ISP price... Nice box based on the 386SX/25 running standard Livingston ComOS JS Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Steve Hovey wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Daniel C. Fifield wrote: > > > > I run an ISP in Wisconsin and we are planning an upgrade from a > 56KB line > > > > to a T1 line. My ISP recommends using a CISCO router. I am > looking for > > > > alternatives and experience using the CICSO router. > > > > > > I love my ciscos - its all I will use! Not too long ago, we had a > cracker > > > attack an older cisco, rendering it useless. Their tech support > stayed on > > > the phone and got me upgraded to a new operating system and > crackerproofed > > > in a very short time! > > > > CISCO's customer support might be great when one of their pieces of > > equipment begins to show it's age/vulnerability, I'm not sure > however that > > it's the best advertising or reason to buy a Cisco. > > > > I still really don't understand why folks with only a T1 line insist > on > > buying a separate router, we have E1 here and have a dual port > serial card > > and a mux. It costs the same to add onto a pc as a Cisco, you still > get > > tech support and the PC that runs it doesn't do anything else or > fall over > > ever. > > Why ? Because what ever system you run your T1 off, PC or SGI or > whatever, > if it is not a dedicated router, people tend to run other services off > it. > If you run other services off it, you tend to modify it (for example > reboot). That brings down your whole T1 line. I thought long about it, > > as I started with just a Fractional T1 Frame Relay line for myself and > > decided at that point to go with a Cisco PC card. It is a complete > router, > it just takes power from the PC and a com port emulation for the > console > port. Even with this solution I power cycled the box it was in too > often. > > If customer ask me today about a standalone router or a PC card, I > often > tell them to get a router like the Engage routers. a T1 with CSU > version > cost $995 for ISPs. It has no large option in routing protocols, but > as an endpoint, they don't need much. The reason I tell them this, it > is > a standalone box. A black box in the corner. No one is going to touch > it. > > > > > Besides, why learn how to use a Cisco router, when you can have a > *BSD box > > do it for you for the same price/cheaper, but with a lot less hassle > if it > > goes wrong. > > > > Check out www.etinc.com and www.sdlcomm.com to name two. > > > > Anyway, > > > > Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. > > Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 > > WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ > > > > > > Ulf. > > ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073
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