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Date:      Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:42:23 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        tim@iafrica.com.na
Cc:        cjclark@alum.mit.edu, Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.ORG>, Susie Ward <sward@voltage.net>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: SecureBSD (Was: Re: Firewalls and the endless story!)
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1000706133812.52496A-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <39648214.A63C423B@polytechnic.edu.na>

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On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Tim Priebe wrote:

> If they get a patent, you are in the same boat if you looked at the code
> or not. As I understand to be in violation of patents, you do not even
> have to know anything about the holder of a patent, their products (if
> any) or that they ever had such an idea.
> This is not to suggest you should look at their product.  It seems to me
> that many of these ideas were discused on this list.

Yes -- I was unclear in my email.  I attempted to address two points, and
mixed them up.  First, whether or not any patents were associated with the
SecureBSD work, and second, whether or not looking at the SecureBSD source
code would influence our ability to develop security-related code.  My
answer to the first was: they may or may not hold or be applying for
patents, but just because they haven't announced any doesn't mean they
can't.  With regards to the second -- depending on the definitions
applied, inspecting SecureBSD source code and subsequently developing
related code on FreeBSD sounds like a potential problem -- one that I'd
like to avoid :-).

If someone would like to agree to the license and post a detailed
description (subject to restrictions in the license, if any) of the
feature set, that would no doubt be appreciated.  The only documentation
available to those who have not agreed to the license is the mention of a
kernel-based tripwire-like mechanism, which is clearly not the total sum
of features in SecureBSD.

  Robert N M Watson 

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