Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:05:12 +1100 From: Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> To: Igor Mozolevsky <mozolevsky@gmail.com>, freebsd security <freebsd-security@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs Message-ID: <5A2DBDA8.7030703@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <20171210194234.GJ5901@funkthat.com> References: <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> <20171205231845.5028d01d@gumby.homeunix.com> <CADWvR2gVn8H5h6LYB5ddwUHYwDtiLCuYndsXhJywi7Q9vNsYvw@mail.gmail.com> <20171210173222.GF5901@funkthat.com> <CADWvR2iGQOtcU=FnU-fNsso2eLCCQn=swnOLoqws%2B33V8VzX1Q@mail.gmail.com> <20171210190257.GH5901@funkthat.com> <CADWvR2jxCH=-VTY1W3wzFhzo8mWSjZqeVpVrCQFNobZepWbqKg@mail.gmail.com> <20171210194234.GJ5901@funkthat.com>
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John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Igor Mozolevsky wrote this message on Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 19:17 +0000: >> On 10 December 2017 at 19:02, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote: >> >> >>> So, you require an exploit in the wild before you'll patch? >> No, I'm saying it's not a realistic threat model! If the threat is the >> integrity of the source code in transit, then it'd be way cheaper and way >> more reasonable to implement a Merkle Tree-like verification with each >> revision. > Then you should be fine w/ http for banking sites, since it's not realistic > that your ISP will MITM your connection to steal money from you, right? > I don't know of a single instance of an ISP MITM'ing banking transactions > to steal money. > Invalid analogy... You probably shouldn't go there... so I will. I have in the past (long time ago - well past that statute of limitations - so can share now) compromised an FTP server on a certain European ISPs network, on there I put a password sniffer looking for a very specific user/connection/password combination... 4 hours it took to get the password I then had "root" across their entire network and in particular to their IRC server... needless to say I have grown up since those days. However, at the time there was very little online banking, and all the banking I knew about was pretty much read only (checking balances, authorising payments to pre-existing arrangements etc)... but using this 'well you might as well use HTTP' would have left me with the opportunity to make a lot of illegal money real quick if you apply it now. Here's a tip, you come to my street and find my open wifi, I'll compromise your arse (just the same as these hypothetical 'malicious Tor node operators') you want a secure connection, one that won't leave you with a hacked android device, don't use my open wifi network. Come and ask me to use my secure network, or use another network. Michellehome | help
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