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Date:      Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:35:55 -0500
From:      "George M. Ellenburg" <gme@inspace.net>
To:        "Blaine Minazzi" <bminazzi@denverweb.net>
Cc:        <isp@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Web Page Restrictions
Message-ID:  <01bcfa89$5de53fe0$f828cccf@caffeine>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Blaine Minazzi <bminazzi@denverweb.net>
To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG <isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions


|So, in a nutshell;  
|A: Screw the standards if its popular, or esp. if its MS.


I've never said screw the standards.  Would it be any different if I
were using Netscape's Mail from X?

|B: Who cares if anyone can read my mail, as long as _I_ like my MUA.

And should I be penalized for my bad eyesight when it's easier for
me to read your mail in a sans-serifed font at least 18pts in size,
as opposed to the standard 80x25 font size on my FreeBSD screen?

|C: Microsquid is a standard, just because they are big.

I never said that.

|D: If I cant read your mail without effort, its _MY_ fault for using
|software that DOES comply with a known standard.

And because I can't read your mail without effort, it's _MY_ fault for
using software that DOES allow me to read your mail?

|E: Religious wars also cover O/S's and Mail software.

So true.

|Yeah, OK....   I think I got it.

We'll see.

|So, can we argue about editors now?  How about a VI vs. Emacs war?

Personally, I prefer vi or joe.  Emacs never appealed to me, but in a
free society, one should be entitled to their own opinion, correct?

|Hoppy Hallidays.

Same to you.

|Disclaimer: Above is sarcastic/humor for those who cannot tell.

I'd like to think that at least I'm no so dense as not to tell, my friend.

|For those that have the right software, I include this.
|If you cant figure it out, amybe your mail software is broken/set up
|improperly. ( grin ).

Gee, since I'm using Outlook Express, and I *can* see your pretty ASCII
art, does that mean my MUA is not broken?

One final note and clarification ... if anyone *has* noticed, at least I
haven't asked for any help for FreeBSD while using Outlook Express.

The point I was making folks is that is it really that difficult to reformat a
paragraph if you can't read it?  I think not, not in most MUAs, whether
console based or GUI.  Lord knows I prefer working in a console
envrionment over GUI any day but life dealt me a deck of cards where
my eyesight is now suffering for which I'm forced to work in a GUI
just so I can simply see the screen.

For others, it may be a different story such as they're servers are colo'd
at another location and the individual doesn't have immediate access to
the console.  Should they be penalized as well?  I'd hope not.

Still some may prefer the enhancements which the new MUAs offer such
as style-sheets (which *is* a standard - though I agree not for mail), or
especially in my case spell-check.  Should these people be penalized as
well?

"There's no need to color television, as no one will watch it." -- said in the
1950s.

"640k is all anyone will need for memory." -- Bill Gates, early 80s.

Because of my country's total insistence (read FCC) that any broadcast
standard must be backwards compatible with all others, it will be at least
10 years before HDTV takes off.  Now who's being penalized?

Why are we no longer using X.25 for digital communication or SLIP for
that matter?  New technology has emerged on the market which offers
greater benefits and cost savings.  "What about my X.25 PADs I still
have?"  Tough.  If you want to communicate faster and cheaper, you're
forced to upgrade.  

My cell phone is all digital.  Why can I no longer use the car phone I've had
since the early 1980s with any cell provider?  The protocol is no longer
supported (it was a car phone, not a cell phone).

I used to be the biggest opponent to WindowsNT, to the point of literally
getting into fights with proponents of that monster of an O/S.  Who in
their right mind would support a monopoly which has a closed O/S (i.e. no
source).  The fact of the matter is, somethings are done faster and easier
*and* better in NT than in Unix (any flavor).  I believe in using the right
tool for the job.  Unix has it's *many* places, so do many other O/Ses.
Same goes for software.





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