Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:10:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh Message-ID: <38ED6DDA.3771B1A5@softweyr.com> References: <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062121.PAA24162@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406144502.A25177@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406150728.A25607@dragon.nuxi.com>
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David O'Brien wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> > > I don't want a fully functional workstation. I want a root account that
> > > is useful.
> >
> > It's completely useful. It has everything you need. What does tcsh
> > provide you that csh doesn't provide you that is needed for root?
>
> Command line completion, and something other than bazzar "!^?-" history
> substitution. Shell evolution (and other command line tools) have shown
> that either Emacs or Vi -style line editing is the way to go. No one has
> adopted the bazzar Csh history substitution syntax.
^No one^Only Wes^
> > > I am also tired of explaining to Linux users why our /bin/csh doesn't
> > > have as nice a UI as tcsh.
> >
> > That's a *really* bad reason to bring in csh, and you know it.
>
> No I don't know it. You obvioulsy haven't had to fight to keep research
> labs using FreeBSD over Linux.
Is it really that hard to 'pkg_add /cdrom/packages/shells/tcsh*' ?
Add it to the default system, just don't REPLACE /bin/csh with it.
Make it root's default shell, even.
> > PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded
> > system.
>
> List them. These small embedded system developers can grab the old csh
> sources from the Attic and import them into their own source tree.
Oh, yeah, that's a great tack.
> > > As would Tcsh.
> >
> > If both are adequate, choose the smaller of the two since it benefits
> > more folks that way. ;)
>
> I dissagree. ;) Perhaps a poll?
>
> > > The need is our root's shell is crappy.
> >
> > I disagree, but what's stopping you from using tcsh as root's shell?
>
> It isn't part of the base system.
So solve that problem without creating a bunch more.
--
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